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Wicked Wanderings
Ep. 78: The Yorkshire Ripper: Part 1
Cousin Mark joins us to unravel the disturbing case of Peter Sutcliffe, known as the Yorkshire Ripper, a British serial killer who terrorized northern England in the 1970s.
• Born in 1946 with a difficult start as a premature baby with a stutter
• Father's abuse toward his mother created a foundation for his hatred of women
• Motorcycle accident resulted in traumatic brain injury before his crimes began
• Claimed to hear voices from gravestones while working as a gravedigger
• First killed in 1975, developing a pattern of hammer attacks and stabbings
• Targeted primarily prostitutes but eventually attacked other women
• Evaded capture despite being interviewed nine times during the investigation
• Left evidence including size 7 footprints at multiple crime scenes
• Escalated to extreme post-mortem mutilation in some cases
• Investigation became so massive the police station needed structural reinforcement to hold all the paperwork
Join us for part two where we'll continue exploring this chilling case and how Sutcliffe was finally caught.
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Wicked Wanderings is hosted by Hannah & Courtney and it's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick. Music by Sascha Ende.
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I can only imagine, rob, do your worst, because that was 26 minutes, I believe, of Hannah and Courtney trying desperately to keep Mark on the line and figure out the switchboard. Another reminder why, if you are trying to start a podcast, you desperately need a producer like good old Rob. You really do, you really do.
Hannah:And I'm so sorry because of Mark. Oh, my God, that's okay, most people would be like fuck this, shit, shit, I'm gonna go do what I was doing exactly but we are happy to have you here and we are excited to hear about.
Courtney:Whatever it is that you wanted to tell us about, okay.
Hannah:Hi, I'm Hannah and I'm Courtney. Join us as we delve into true crime, paranormal encounters and all things spooky.
Courtney:Grab your flashlight and get ready to wander into the darkness with us.
Hannah:This is Wicked Wanderings, Hi Courtney, Hi Hannah, and we have a special guest Drumroll. Please, Cousin Mark In the flesh sort of In the virtual flesh.
Cousin Marc:I am always happy to be here hanging out with you, beautiful ladies.
Hannah:Oh shucks.
Courtney:Don't give us airs. He's really laying it on us now, today, guys.
Cousin Marc:Sitting here with my cool Wicked Wanderings douche canoe t-shirt that I have.
Hannah:Wicked cozy tees. I mean, honestly, I just want to like tear up because, like Court, I know that you've been a wanderer forever and you came to this podcast willing and able to do it with me. But, like from the beginning, like that shirt, I'm just like, oh my God, that's like the beginnings of Wicked Wanderings. And just like, oh God, it's like the beginnings of Wicked Wanderings. And just like, oh, just gives me the tears. So, cousin, mark, I just appreciate your support to us. Really, I do, really do.
Cousin Marc:Absolutely. I love it All right. So I have today a very nice young man called Peter.
Hannah:Sutcliffe Wait, wait, a very nice young man. That's usually not how we start any podcast.
Cousin Marc:Better known as the Yorkshire Ripper.
Courtney:Oh, okay, so nice? Maybe not so much, but I guess, like Bundy was described as nice, right? Oh, don't get Bundy involved. Mark the record, don't do it. One minute and 54 seconds in and Courtney brought up Bundy involved.
Cousin Marc:Mark the record, don't do it One minute and 54 seconds in and Courtney brought up Bundy, not Hannah, oh boy. So Peter Sutcliffe, he was a piece of work, that one. He was born in 46. You know, had two normal parents, you know, as they went along and he was born premature. Oh, so he was a small baby when he was born, had some, you know, some of those disabilities of being premature, small. He had a stutter and things like that, which you know made him a target for bullies in school. Going through school most of the time he just isolated himself and he'd stand on the side while all the kids were playing and whatnot and just kind of be alone or on his own, but two normal parents, you said.
Cousin Marc:Well as normal as you can get.
Courtney:I mean it was the 40s and 50s, so true, I suppose a little amount of trauma, naturally, is sprinkled in there.
Cousin Marc:Well, his father didn't beat his mother.
Courtney:Okay, yep, there's the trauma. There's the trauma we're talking about.
Cousin Marc:He didn't beat the kids, it was just mom.
Courtney:Okay, I mean not great, but still yeah, Okay.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, a little better. But you know, as a smaller child and having some difficulties, you know his mother doted on him. She was like he's the greatest thing in the world. You know my baby boy and whatnot. As she goes along through life she doesn't have the common stereotypes that a serial killer would have Interesting. We didn't have trouble with wetting the bed or fires or cruelty to animals.
Courtney:Right Kind of all those classic things that we've heard about so many times when you're reading about serial killers.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, he went to college.
Courtney:Okay, so he's educated.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, and he had a girlfriend from high school and she also went off to college During the week. He didn't get to see her. He only got to see her on the weekend. Then there were times where during the weekend she wouldn't come home so he wouldn't be able to see her. Well, come to find out she was cheating on him. He was beside himself. So he went up there and confronted her while she was with the other guy that she was with. Nothing ever happened from it, but they kind of worked things out and stayed together.
Courtney:Okay, so they did ultimately end up staying together. I felt like I was like here's the dark turn. He's going to say that he, that he already killed this woman, or that he killed the other guy. Okay, you got me on my toes.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, so he's getting older. He takes a job at a graveyard.
Courtney:Oh, now it's getting dark, okay.
Cousin Marc:So, while he's working at the grave, he just jumped down into one of the graves and decided to take a nap after digging the hole.
Courtney:Not something I would do. I'm sorry, take a nap.
Cousin Marc:Take a nap after digging. He was tired In the grave.
Courtney:Without the body, though.
Cousin Marc:Yes, without the body.
Courtney:I guess it's only a hole, then you know what I'm saying it's only a hole. Then you know what I'm saying it's it's. It's a hole that will be a grave soon, but it's only a hole.
Cousin Marc:Exactly, I mean.
Hannah:I guess I would be tired too.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, it's kind of so. As he's sitting in this hole, he starts hearing voices.
Hannah:Okay.
Cousin Marc:Imagine that.
Hannah:Yep, yep, yep.
Cousin Marc:Imagine that you hear voices. He comes out of it and the gravestone is talking to him. Oh, that's where the voice is coming from from one of the gravestones.
Courtney:So the stone itself, not the person.
Cousin Marc:It was talking yeah, all right.
Courtney:Okay.
Cousin Marc:Kind of like the son of Sam David Berkowitz, His neighbor's dog, he said, was talking to him.
Courtney:I mean, at least a dog is like an actual living being, though right, I mean like a gravestone, is a little bit different.
Cousin Marc:Well see, here's the thing with that. He was devotely Catholic, yeah, so he says that's got to be God talking to me.
Courtney:Yes, Of course god in the form of gravestone yeah, that checks out.
Cousin Marc:I don't know why you wouldn't think that exactly.
Hannah:I have to say I'm sorry, like growing up very religious, there were so many men, never women, really. Uh, they were like oh god, talk to me, I'm like. Well, why you like? Like?
Courtney:why of all the human beings right you you.
Cousin Marc:I mean you say that, anna, because he said that God was talking to him personally, if it wasn't just him personally then everybody else would hear God talking to them.
Hannah:God was focusing on him. I just feel like the last couple years, the relationship okay, this might be getting personal, but the relationship I have with god, right is just it, just it boggles my mind with the amount of people that are in the world, right, why them?
Courtney:I don't think people are in that position like, especially if you're laying in graves to sleep. I don't think you're in the position to be like. You know what this magical man has chosen me and why I think we're just really stuck on the.
Hannah:He chose me I just I I don't know, like this supposed really big being right, and if you're not gonna believe in the big bang or whatever, like kudos to you, like whatever you believe in, why would they choose you? Yeah, but also struggle with that.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, I don't know but also why would god let all these bad things happen?
Hannah:yeah, I guess that's where people's different gods come into play, because we hear that a lot with different serial killers or people who are aggressive towards other people, and I think that's a very good point Because, mark, being a person that grew up in the church, and you might appreciate this as well why, if you have a God that is all-knowing, all-being, why would they allow this all stuff to happen Like I get that Encourage?
Courtney:it, not even just allow it to happen. Why would they encourage it? I get that.
Hannah:I get that. Why would you allow these people to be anyways?
Cousin Marc:Well, everyone says that God created man in his own image. Okay, man in his own image. So a psychopath you know a serial killer says well, if he made us in his own image, he must be just like me psychotic, unfeeling. But you talk to other people and they're like oh no, god's good, god made us perfect Things like that. But it all depends on how the brain processes all the information.
Hannah:Which raises a lot of questions, right Like it's just.
Cousin Marc:Exactly.
Hannah:It's interesting? It certainly is interesting.
Courtney:Yeah, sorry we derailed you. Yes, please keep going.
Cousin Marc:No, that's OK. That's OK because you just made me remember that before his and I'm upset that I missed this, but before he got the job as a gravedigger, he was also in a motorcycle accident and had a traumatic brain injury.
Courtney:And that will really throw a lot of things for a loop. A traumatic brain injury really puts you through some stuff. Yes, it does, yes, it does so, then, it's like are you hallucinating or are you having a psychotic break? Or is it the traumatic brain injury? There's a lot more to play there.
Hannah:And what are the years for this?
Cousin Marc:again, I'm sorry he was born in 46, so we're not know a lot they did not know a lot, I really consider true brain injuries to be that serious yeah nope, rub some dirt on it and get back out right right yeah, so sad. So he has the motorcycle accident. He has his father beating his mother. He has his girlfriend cheating on him. He also has his father figure out that his mother was cheating on his father.
Courtney:Ah, ok, and I'm sure that's a really negative image towards women for him. They're all cheaters.
Cousin Marc:Well, his father found out where the mother was meeting her man. Oh boy, Peter and his father went to the hotel room and caught them.
Courtney:So he brought his son with him to do that.
Cousin Marc:They brought him with them and humiliated her in front of everybody, and he ends up grabbing the purse from her and pulls out the lingerie that she was going to wear while she was there.
Courtney:Oh, yikes, yikes, yikes.
Cousin Marc:So this whole thing is that he's now seeing women as liars.
Courtney:Right, exactly.
Cousin Marc:After he found that his girlfriend had cheated on him, he was going to go cheat on her with a prostitute.
Courtney:Oh, and here we go, bringing the prostitute. I feel like serial killers at a certain point are very similar the lying, and cheating prostitutes.
Cousin Marc:He goes to have sex with her and she just walks in, strips down and says, all right, let's go, and he's like wait a minute. That's not how this is supposed to go.
Hannah:It is when you're paying by the hour. Oh my God.
Cousin Marc:The first time with a prostitute and he's going wait a minute. I thought there was going to be some. You know something romantic, you know some foreplay or something?
Hannah:definitely not. You pay extra for that.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, exactly so he's like all right, I can't do this, you know, let's call it quits. And he had given her a 10 pound note which back then at that time, was like 50 bucks now.
Courtney:So he just sent her on her way. He was like thanks, but no thanks.
Cousin Marc:Oh no, he said you were supposed to give me change when we got here. You haven't done that because it was supposed to be five dollars. And she says, well, bring me back to where I was and I'll give it back to you. So he drives her back to the garage where he picked her up and she walks in and he's out there in the car for like 10 minutes and she doesn't come back out. Naturally, what the hell's going on? So next thing, you know, this guy comes out and tells him to you know, fuck off, she's not doing anything Right. So now he's got a bad taste in his mouth.
Cousin Marc:Right Again with a prostitute and liars.
Courtney:Yeah, that reinforces again women are liars she said exactly I'm going to get the change and come back. And obviously her pimp was like no, we're not doing that.
Cousin Marc:So between then his first murder he had attacked a few women, but they survived because he didn't actually know what he was doing yet. So there were a few attacks, but no one died. No one could identify him or anything.
Courtney:When you say attack, do you mean like physical attack, or is it like a sexual attack and a physical attack?
Cousin Marc:No, just physical. The police didn't know about the attacks until later because you know, nobody had come forward, because it was really nothing to come forward about, because they didn't know who it was.
Courtney:And I didn't imagine it was going to be sexual in nature, just because it doesn't seem like if he's the kind of guy who couldn't have sex with a prostitute who was standing right there in front of him, he's probably wouldn't be the kind of guy who could do it Very good point For aggression and things like that. Yeah.
Hannah:But I also think back then, like it was different when you're reporting these types of attacks?
Courtney:Yes, yeah, especially women who are not believed.
Cousin Marc:Right? Well, especially at that time, and especially being a prostitute, you know they don't want to bring attention to themselves if they don't have to Right.
Hannah:If you're going to report a sexual attack, it's like, well, that's your job, well, but they weren't sexual, they were just physical attacks.
Courtney:But I also feel like at that time women, they were just physical attacks. But I also feel like at that time women were supposed to be seen, not heard, Objectified. They were objectified.
Hannah:Yeah, absolutely.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, but at this time there were a lot of mills in the area for the industrial age that were shutting down because the war's over and they didn't need all those things anymore. So people were having trouble making money because the jobs were disappearing.
Courtney:So that's why a lot of women started to turn to prostitution, because it was a quick way to make money. Yeah, work what your mama gave you Exactly so.
Cousin Marc:I mean we talked about this in the Gary Ridgway episode where you know mothers would look at their kids and say, why are you being a prostitute? You can come work at the diner. It's like I'm going to make like half the money at the diner in three hours as a prostitute.
Hannah:Absolutely, 100%. Agree with that, absolutely All right.
Cousin Marc:So we've established that Peter Sutcliffe does not like women. Established that Peter Sutcliffe does not like women. You know, his parents didn't really do much to dissuade him from disliking women. So we now come to October of 75, where he takes his first life. There's a mother of four named Wilma McCann, and she was only killed 150 yards from her house. Yikes, you know, he came up from behind her, hit her in the head with a ball-peen hammer repeatedly.
Courtney:As if more than once was necessary. Yeah, stabbed her.
Cousin Marc:Well, see, this is where the previous attack where people survived that he started to realize that he needed to be more aggressive when he did this.
Courtney:So was that a pattern of his Showing up behind somebody and beating Okay? Okay, that makes sense.
Cousin Marc:And hitting them with a hammer.
Courtney:Specifically, he had a lucky hitting hammer.
Cousin Marc:So he ended up stabbing her with a screwdriver After he hit her with the hammer. Poor woman. When the police started to investigate this, they associated it with her being a prostitute, because of the area that they were in, which is a high area of prostitution Was she a prostitute?
Courtney:or did they just mistake her for a prostitute?
Cousin Marc:No, she was a prostitute. Okay, all right. And when the news got a hold of it, the news started calling them good time girls. Oh I hate that Instead of prostitutes.
Courtney:I hate that, that's not a cute way to say prostitute. Stop that shit yeah.
Cousin Marc:So that was in October of 75., january of 76, he ended up taking out Emily Jackson, who was a mother of two okay, so we're seeing mothers.
Courtney:We're seeing mothers as a trend so far it is.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, he was also staged now mothers and prostitutes. It just so happened to be they were both so with Emily she was staged, so when whoever found her, her legs were spread open and made for a shock value. For when someone found her, she was stabbed 56 times with a screwdriver and also had the circular wounds on the back of the head of a ball-peen hammer.
Courtney:So the same exact spikes.
Cousin Marc:This one was also stepped on, so they were able to retrieve a footprint from her thigh, which they ended up determining was a size 7.
Hannah:Oh, so he's a small man.
Cousin Marc:He's a small man. Yes, yes, has the small man syndrome.
Courtney:Right, and that kind of narrows it down.
Cousin Marc:I'm assuming, as a search too, because you're like OK, we're looking for somebody with a somewhat specific size, Very tiny Seven is actually kind of small for a woman's foot too.
Courtney:Yes, Absolutely.
Cousin Marc:Yeah. So we now move to April of 77, over a year later, and she ends up killing 28-year-old Irene Richardson. She was also struck in the head and stabbed repeatedly, so she has the same MO of killing, and what the police determined was that all three were not sexually assaulted. So that's starting to remind people of another famous killer in England. You may know him. Wait, who? Any guesses?
Hannah:I don't know who could it be?
Cousin Marc:That would be our good old friend Jack.
Courtney:Jack the Ripper.
Cousin Marc:And since he was from the Yorkshire County, they dubbed him the Yorkshire Ripper.
Hannah:So, knowing what we know about Jack Ripper now, with who he is, right They've decided who he is, which is kind of sad about.
Courtney:We've talked about that a few times where it's like lost its luster because of that.
Cousin Marc:Which is so sad.
Courtney:I have to preface by saying like we are so sorry for the victim's families because obviously, like they all, should get their justice. But I do think the lore piece of it, like it almost seemed like this person was too big to be real, like you weren't human you were something else and I was really, I was really hoping that HH Holmes had something to do with it and whatever.
Cousin Marc:It would have been an interesting twist.
Hannah:Yes, it really would have. It really would have. Knowing who Jack the Ripper is supposedly now. Does that lose anything for the case you have for us right now?
Cousin Marc:I'm sorry, does it what?
Hannah:Lose anything like any luster for what you have for the case now.
Cousin Marc:No, of course not Okay.
Hannah:Does it prove anything?
Cousin Marc:Because everybody everybody's their own, their own individual.
Hannah:Yeah.
Cousin Marc:He's escalated a little bit quicker now and he's on to June of 77, where he attacks 33 year old Patricia Atkins. She was the first one that he actually killed at home In her home correct. Yeah, because she was a prostitute and he made it to her place for their transaction when he killed her.
Courtney:That's a great way to put that, mark. I love how you were like for her transaction.
Cousin Marc:Well, it's a business. It is a business.
Courtney:Respect the hustle.
Cousin Marc:As he's in there and he kills her, he ends up tracking footprints through the house Again. So now they have footprints to test against other footprints. So at this time the police are narrowing it down to the dislike of prostitutes and the media is putting out there that if you're not a prostitute then you're safe. Big mistake, because in the same month he ends up murdering 16-year-old Jane McDonald.
Courtney:Who was clearly not a prostitute.
Cousin Marc:Clearly not a prostitute. So was it a mistake? Or is he just angry at women and not prostitutes?
Courtney:Or maybe it was an opportunity thing. I know we've definitely talked about that for other cases too, like absolutely Even with the OCCK, like you know, jill Robinson's case. I think about that where it was like was she, why was she shot, and everybody else was strangled. Was it one of those things where it was like oh shit, she's not dead? Is it? Somebody saw something and they shouldn't have seen something, or that urge just got too high and there wasn't another opportunity.
Cousin Marc:So at this point the public's outraged because the investigation is not going the way it should and they haven't found any suspects yet. So the head of the police decide to bring in new investigators to re-jump the investigation. But at this time, you know, there's no DNA because he hasn't done anything to leave any DNA. All there was for them at this time is to do blood grouping, which doesn't really narrow down your search that much.
Courtney:Right. Probably the size seven shoe narrows it down more.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, we got that. So now we're in the July of 77 where he attacked Maureen Long, but she survived.
Courtney:Oh, no, not again.
Cousin Marc:He's a couple. There's a couple in his murder spree that end up surviving. She was hit in the head like the rest, but apparently she was able to survive it Shit.
Courtney:And that makes me wonder. The head injuries? Well, also well, but like if he's normally, like the other women. He hit in the head and then he stabbed them, so he didn't stab her. But for what reason did he really think that the blow to the head had done the job? Did somebody startle him? Did he not have enough? Time what it was, he didn't really want to kill her. You know I got a lot of questions about this.
Cousin Marc:That's a good question to have. I don't remember if they said anything about him being spooked at the time, to not finish, but they did have a witness now Right and they had an officer there pose as her boyfriend chaperone, whatever you want to call it. They went back to the club that he picked her up at to see if he showed back up, and he never did.
Courtney:So he's smart. At least he knew that. He must have known she survived.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, well, she also had some brain damage too and couldn't remember much.
Courtney:From the poor woman hits the head. I'm sure, yeah, damn it.
Cousin Marc:So at this point, after they've regrouped the investigation, they had an incident room that they had over 270 people working on this case, and then we come to October 77, where he kills 20-year-old Jean Jordan. She was found nine days after she disappeared. This one was a little different from the rest of them, though, because he must have thought differently after the last one survived, because this one, her hair was burnt off, her face was smashed oh God, her breasts were cut off.
Hannah:I'm sorry her tits were what Cut off.
Cousin Marc:He cut them off.
Courtney:So he was really taking his hate out on women, right?
Hannah:do we know if this was post-mortem or not?
Cousin Marc:not that I know well, after hitting her in the head and smashing her face.
Courtney:I'm sure the rest of it was just anger, yeah, and that shows his character too, where it makes me think that he didn't intend to leave the other person alive, and it was like look at all this anger and rage. I have pent up about how angry I am that the other one got away.
Hannah:Oh, my God.
Courtney:Oh God, Because it's far more violent than the other ones.
Hannah:I mean, the other ones were violent. The other ones were violent, but that one was fine. Oh, that's insane.
Cousin Marc:Well, that's the thing. She was found in Manchester, which was a long way from Yorkshire, but she hid her in a hedge and when she wasn't discovered, he went back and moved her.
Courtney:He liked the attention.
Cousin Marc:Yes.
Courtney:Okay, so he's an attention guy.
Cousin Marc:That's important to know. It also looked like he was looking for something and he couldn't find it, and Also looked like he was looking for something and he couldn't find it, and then he flashed the body out of anger.
Courtney:So a lot of that was postmortem OK. So it was unclear if he was like really upset about the other person getting away or just people not catching on and giving him that like attention and that credit maybe.
Cousin Marc:Well, no, what happened with this was he had given her a five-pound note. Okay, okay, and apparently at this time in England the companies hand out pay packets, so all the money that's in the packet has been analyzed and can be traced, if need be. Okay, so when he gave her the five-pound note, he was going to kill her and take it back. We couldn't find it, which is what got him angry.
Courtney:OK yeah, because that could have been tracked.
Cousin Marc:Yeah.
Courtney:OK, and that leads yeah.
Cousin Marc:And that leads them to interviews of the males in factories where the packet would have been handed out. And that's one of the things. As this investigation went on, he was interviewed nine times. God, that's insane. And they never figured it out. So it's very possible that during that he was one of the people that were interviewed throughout the factories. Now we come to December of 77. Here's another one that survived. That was Marilyn Moore. She survived the factories. Now we come to December of 77. Here's another one that survived. That was Marilyn Moore. She survived the attack. But they did find tire tracks and those tire tracks matched Irene Richardson's crime scene. Oh, shit.
Cousin Marc:And Marilyn Moore was able to give a description. So now they actually had a photo to go by from her sitting down with the artist. So in February of 78, he ended up killing 18-year-old Helen Richter. She was found in a lumberyard by police dogs on a search because they had gotten rumors that there was something out there. Gotten rumors that there was something out there, and she again was murdered the same way with the hammer blows and the stabbings, ice pick and screwdrivers and things like that. So the police managed to round up a 30,000 pound reward for any information leading to the capture. They also had so much paperwork in this incident room that they had to reinforce the structure of the building with concrete to make sure the floor didn't collapse.
Courtney:Wow, that's a lot of paperwork.
Cousin Marc:That's how they were talking millions of pieces of paper, and they were getting phone calls and tips nonstop. We now move to March of 78, where he has taken 21-year-old Yvonne Pearson. So she was hidden a little more than some of the other ones were, because a passerby saw a hand sticking out of the garbage pile that she was underneath. So he was hiding them, but trying to hide them so they could still be found.
Courtney:Right, like hiding in plain sight.
Cousin Marc:Yeah.
Courtney:Yeah.
Cousin Marc:Well, that was like. That was BTK Dennis Rader. When nobody was reporting on the murder that he had committed, he was calling up news stations and telling them that they were going to find someone somewhere.
Courtney:Right Wanting that attention, when that attention is the biggest component Because, if you think about it other than I mean, some people get satisfaction out of killing in general. I can't imagine it, but it is true. Other than the satisfaction of killing, what else is this person getting out of killing these women other than attention? Nothing, yeah, nothing, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cousin Marc:Nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Hannah will know BTK was getting upset because Bundy was getting all this publicity Jealousy. No one knew anything about him. So he had written a letter to the news channel and it said how many people do I have to kill before you guys start taking me seriously?
Courtney:Apparently more yeah.
Cousin Marc:No kidding.
Hannah:Which is just terrible.
Courtney:It's terrible.
Cousin Marc:Yes, no kidding, which is just terrible. It's terrible, yes, it is. So we get to May of 78, where he kills 41-year-old Vera Millward. She was dragged out into the field that she was found in because what happened was he pretended to have car trouble once he got her in the car, so they went up to the front and opened up the hood and, as he asked her to help him look as she was looking, he hit her in the head with a hammer.
Hannah:That seemed to be like the mo yeah, a lot of these guys like, yeah, I think I was in the car and somebody said I'm having some car trouble.
Courtney:Figure it out yourself, buddy, I'm staying in the car. And somebody said I'm having some car trouble. I'd be like, figure it out yourself, buddy, I'm staying in the car.
Hannah:Or even if I had car trouble, I will figure it out myself. I'll just stay locked in this car. I'm good, thank you.
Courtney:Well, on that sad note, we're going to have to do a two-parter for you guys, because Hannah and I were reckless. Cousin Mark was on topic. Rob's gonna kill us, but everybody should look forward to a part two.
Cousin Marc:Absolutely.
Courtney:Sorry, cousin Mark, we can do a pick a card any card. Pick a card any card.
Hannah:Here we go. I have the queen of hearts and it's theresa corley. Uh, it's familiar really. Yeah, on december 8th 1978 a 19 year old girl was found strangled in a ditch off route i-495 in bellingham. She went missing from franklin. If you have any information, please call 1-855-MA-SOLVE that one sounds really familiar the picture is very familiar.
Courtney:Let me see yeah oh yeah, no, the picture is very, very familiar, right, I'm wondering. I definitely have read an article on her, but there's also a couple of really big podcast episodes about her, so that could have been it too also can we discuss what happened in?
Hannah:what was it waterbury connect it?
Cousin Marc:what happened there?
Hannah:there was a person that was held hostage for like 20 years.
Courtney:Yikes, when did that come up? Oh, was that the kid, the stepson?
Hannah:Yes, yes and yes. And he, he had like basically no water, no food, he was malnourished and he set fire to the house just so he could get out. I mean smart.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, I remember hearing that.
Hannah:Yeah so that yeah, so the stepmom is on trial, but she got out on bail. That's like what gets me on bail? Well, they don't think she's a flight risk. So Well, I guess the father died a year ago. So she's like, oh, it was all the father's fault, but yeah but like a year ago.
Courtney:Why didn't he get let out?
Hannah:Mm. Hmm, oh, it was all the father's fault, but yeah, but like a year ago.
Courtney:Why?
Hannah:didn't he get let out?
Courtney:yeah, but yeah he set fire with a piece of paper hand sanitizer and a lighter. I just looked it up. Right, yeah, was it. Was it waterbury? Yeah, yep, yep. She was arrested on wednesday and charged with first degree assault, second degree kidnapping, first degree unlawful restraint, cruelty to persons and first degree reckless endangerment. What was?
Hannah:disgusting about it is that they he was pulled out of school when he was 11 and filed on the family and nothing was done.
Courtney:That's what's disgusting, like I do think is is so like I'm just scrolling the first article that I found, obviously, and there's a quote from uh, the chief of waterbury police, saying 30 years in law enforcement and this is the worst treatment of humanity that I have ever witnessed yeah, so, and they see some things too.
Hannah:Yeah, they see things right but, like this family was filed on and nothing was done, there was locks on the outside of this door, like if you did any type of investigation.
Courtney:Yeah, it's sick.
Cousin Marc:Yeah, that's crazy, just as much as anybody.
Courtney:the DCF system is broken oh yeah. It's completely broken and I know that a lot of people feel hindered by the fact that they get involved, but it's like their job is to get involved to determine if there's a threat or not. Yeah, they really. I've heard just so many cases where they don't get involved and there's this bigger thing going on.
Cousin Marc:It's really troubling yeah.
Courtney:Thanks for joining us, cousin Mark. We always love to have you, especially when we give you no notice and we just blow up your phones with a what you do. I 100% just slid right into Mark's DMs and was like hi, what's happening? What you want to?
Cousin Marc:do what's up, Marky Mark?
Courtney:I called him Marky Mark, all right. All right, we will see you guys next time. Goodbye, hannah, bye.
Hannah:Thanks for listening today. Wicked Wanderings is hosted by me Hannah and co-hosted by me Courtney, and it's produced by Rob Fitzpatrick music by Sasha M.
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