Episode 72: What An Effective Ketogenic Diet Program Should Look Like

Dr. Goldkamp reveals the important components of what a therapeutic ketogenic diet should look like, in terms of blood work and specialized labs. Why it is definitely advantageous to have these labs done for you before you start, and how they directly lead to better, more effective, sustained outcomes in the end.

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Hi, This is Dr Karl Gold Camp. If you're interested in learning about the ketogenic diet like I was to save my own life, then this is probably the podcast for you. Eight years ago, I knew nothing about it. Six years ago, it saved my life. Three years ago, I started researching and talking with some of the authorities in the field and attending medical conferences about this. To understand why and how Kato so dramatically changed my my wife, studios lives. The first of his podcast is to share our journey of discovery with you and understanding how Kato is so effective improving so many different conditions from obesity, epilepsy, diabetes, infertility, M s, Alzheimer's heart disease, a name a few. So take a step away from all the hype you've probably heard and roll up your sleeves with me and join me weekly to explore this living miracle. Then anyone can access. We'll talk science. We'll talk food. Well, explorer, its history and evolution to today, which is that the sheer wonder the ketogenic way of eating has changed untold number of lives, unlike anything before and in case I forget to mention it, please join our Facebook group. Kato Naturopath Hi, This is Dr Gold Camp in Welcome Back to Another episode, the cuter naturopath. Today I I wanted to go over basically what I think is kind of an obvious program, but we're the only ones doing it. And why I'm saying that. I hope that didn't sound too here again because I don't mean for it to come off that way. And you'll understand by the end that this is simply putting one step in front of the other. In an obvious way, I read a research article and one of the journals that I get online and the name of it is ketogenic diets potentially reverse type two diabetes and ameliorate clinical depression. A case study came out in April of this year, and so most of you are listening. Know that, well, reversing type two diabetes isn't that much of a big deal anymore. Her health came out with their Now I think they're into their third year. But they produced the data of the 1st 2 years showing that they had 53% of their starting population, that they had helped reverse diabetes. Inherently, that means that 47% didn't get rehearsed. That's always the question I'm pursuing. Why is it that if this is such a great thing, why isn't it working for 50% of the people? And it's not just genetics, it's a lot of layers, and that's the point for this program. But the point of this title of this paper is that I started reading about it and they go, This sounds a lot like we were doing. And so I'll get to the I'll get to the, um oh sort of synopsis. And it says, a case study highlights a 65 year old female who had been who had presented with 26 year history. Ah, dually diagnosed Type two diabetes and major depression disorder. And you'll remember when were talking to Dr Christopher Palmer about this. How the association with Type two diabetes and depression is a pretty high correlation and, um, and so that's those two are almost to be assumed. Your type two diabetic if you wanted. Most people don't report. They know I'm also depressed, by the way, and they don't get tested for that. They just come in about getting monitored to the blood sugar and so on so forth. Even that side is a little superficial, but these are our kind of always been connected. All right, so he had that. So what they do in this program, this particular program, they ketogenic diet. We don't know how many carbs they have, so just take their word for it. Ketogenic diet was clinically formulated for her, based on her resting metabolic rate, her body fat percentage and lean body mass. Okay, that's pretty much how we do it. And most people do it together with weekly nutrition education. It means they didn't give her anything. They just said, Hey, this is how you have a more nutritious diet within the context of acute eugenic that smart. Also, they did high intensity interval training. So that's not just a chai tea. It's H hi. I t matched to her cardiovascular conditioning. So they just put it within who she was and started providing her, you know, sessions and did 8 45 minutes solution focused psychotherapy sessions. So that was basically also had some exercise. They had education in terms of diet, and they calculated, you know what her clark and take should be and they put that in context, the ketogenic that Okay, then the 12 week individualized treatment intervention served to functionally reverse 26 years of type two diabetes means get off all those meds. So that's four months and ameliorate two and 1/2 decades of chronic depressive disorders and empower equipped the patient with new experience and hope it's successful. Okay, so how did it treat the depressive disorders? Well, one of the ways that we know we now being you we've been listening to me for a while and through some of the interviews is that certainly an increase in Gabba Gabba is tthe ee quality inhibitory neurotransmitter. I don't see it is inhibitory a. I see it as the take a beat the reflective neural transmitter. When you meditate, your gavel goes up when you're sitting out in the woods overlooking after a hike up the White Mountains in New Hampshire is what I'm picturing right now and you're overlooking the valley below. And all that reflection and catching your breath house in your gob is gonna go up. You sit back, he reflect. He just exceeded that beauty. Those moments are high gabba moments as opposed to dopamine or glittery, okay? And we talked about those before, so we know those air increasing. So that's gonna be in a ketogenic diet. Those increase that directly effects they depression. And so we also know that obviously, the key tones air generated, and this person becomes a fat burner and they start to burn fat as opposed to glucose. And so the exercise. But we've talked a number of times about that that exercises chest so powerful and it is getting its day in the sun in terms of understanding all that, it automatically is a demand for glucose. So it sucks it out of the serum to feed the muscles that are being used. And the nice thing about that, it's, ah, mechanism for bringing down elevated glucose without insulin. So your muscles, in essence, have these little packages of glycogen like snack food stuffed inside the muscles. Right. So when you go out walking or running or weight resistance, our weight training, whatever and certain muscles are going, I need my snack food. They're gonna scarf down their share of the glycogen that is stored in those particular muscles, and they're they're going to deplete it. So it's a finite amount, and you can actually calculate this for as an average for all of us. Well, then your body has to fill up those little packages that little snack foods like filling up the vending machine again with good food. So it feels of the vending machine with the glycogen, but it takes. It takes that glucose right out of the serum right out the blood and puts it into the glycogen has nothing to do with insulin, so that's pretty impressive. So exercise alone could be a great control to blood sugar levels on a regular basis. So if for no other reason, let's say it's not for body image or it's not for losing weight. It is just for blood sugar control. Exercise will do that doesn't affect the pancreas and doesn't effect the litter. Okay, so that was the backgrounds that got got me thinking, saying, You know, that's kind of like our program. So, for instance, I'm working with a number of groups of people right now, different groups that have paid me and my approach has been evolving over this past a little over a year, I think was a year ago I started coaching a small group for free, and then each one has become, subsequently little more sophisticated. So these groups that I'm I do now is that they get for, if not five different tests done, and they pay for it out of their pocket. And just for the cost of the test alone is about $1400 of these different tests ones basically what I call a basic metabolic panel that I put together, that they go out and they get from Quest. And after that we do an inter cellular level, which I'm looking for various nutrient deficiencies. After that, we look at their genome, and that means it's usually a 23 and me raw data uploaded to one of the many different programs that are out there. I'm just looking for a list of snips, right? Single regular polymorphisms. We talked about this before, and I just scanned for the ones that I think you're most rela. I don't go through there. It could be a very deep rabbit hole of all these different little snips they have. I'm just looking for three or four and actually really just one or two that I can look for And see if that gives him a predisposition to some of what I've seen on the blood work. Okay, so we have that in the last time we do a hit, ah, hormone panel from yet another company, which is about a 20 hour urine tests and measures. You're androgens, your testosterone, your estrogen, Your D a t a your, um cortisol. Of course. You know how in your so you get to see all these units craft out as well as just a table of what you're deficient with, And if you're deficient, Where are you deficient? What time of day are you deficient? So it's very specific and useful information. It's actionable. You don't get buried into a lot of extra details. Okay, so that's the background in the last one we do, which is kind of an elective test is on heavy metals. So he so as we go through this program the 1st 2 weeks, they all go out to get their kids. Some kids have to be sent to them directly. They get their kids, they go to the labs that are near them. If you get all the lab work done, the results the metabolic panel comes back, certainly within a week or two, and then after that, everything else takes about four weeks. So we now start this spreadsheet that each person has, starting with the metabolic panel, all those quest tests and the other cellular. Then we're going to the genomes that is pulling out snips, that are that I'm looking for that. I think our dinner relevant. That can be, uh, disturbing. Somebody's blood work. If they have these particular says, or if they don't on, then the hormones. And so it's interesting. So that's it. So, as you're listening to me right now, you're saying, Well, that's interesting. Here is this program these air level test. Isn't that pretty interesting to get all that information on your true Correct. But what do you do with that information? You know, how is that gonna change your life? A lot of people, especially with the age of the Internet, they're all about getting information with They're not about taking action on this information or even prioritizing the information to find out. These are the top three things I'm gonna act on. Um, and one could say, Well, this is a lot of information. How? How you gonna find out what to act on? Well, after those two weeks are done, we basically then just focus on the ketogenic diet and make sure that they get this down. And that's really that where the lion's share of the work is, that's where the core starts. So not the 1st 2 weeks of just we Can't prep time. It's now 90 days of working with, uh, tracking her diet. We talk a lot about diet for the next 90 days. We track it on chronometer, which anybody can do. I just get to peek in. Everybody's doing it and comment on it. And I have them put in their glucose readings and rolling now, just getting to test key tones. And in some cases, I asked for blood pressures as well. So all that's really pretty interesting. So the other interesting thing is, I line up the spreadsheets of each person in the group, and I've asked the head of time, can we share each other's data? So they're looking at each other's data and and I'm leading to a few points, by the way. And so I'm looking at each other's data on this one group. I'm working with Avery Close, an agent of the same gender, so that's neat. But what we find, even within that group, the population goes from one per, and they all have the commonalities. They all have a least £100 to lose at least £100 to lose. So now, within this group, we have somebody who's never been, hasn't been on supplements for last couple of years. I don't know about never. He's not on any medication and hasn't been on any medications from last year. Then we go to the next person, and we finally they're on some minor medications and they're taking some supplements and never go to the next person air kind. While they actually had been taking a lot of supplements throughout the previous years, all the fancy ones of this any oxidant here in this energy booster there and so on so forth that they thought this person stopped taking them before this course so they can could have let it clear out. I think clear out period is a good four weeks, but we didn't have that, So I'm saying he's having on the supplements and what they call smart drugs, by the way, stopped all that. And then we go to the fourth person who's, um, who's somebody? Alex paid for him to be in the in the group because he really cared a lot about him. And so when we see these different cases, side by side in this last person is on a number of myths. Seven different medications. It's what I call, ah, medical lock up because you can't just start taking things off knocked in this not doing this. Everything has to be decrease gradually. So what is this conclusion? Well, luckily, in this one particular group, one person is, in essence, the control. No meds, no supplements, just doing, in essence, the ketogenic diet. Put it on the laps. We get to see what they're. His labs were so in starting. Guess you know, the gender of that group is that you could see that the first person one without supplements communications didn't necessarily have the best slaps. But now, four weeks into it and we haven't retested laps, he's been the most effective and dropping way, so that's been his goal. So he's very satisfied, feels great mentally. Now things are changing. He wanted to start taking key tones, testing key tones A while ago I said, Don't waste your time on it right now Let's just focus on glucose. But he's doing fine with Heaton's. So it's kind of a very straightforward case of simply needed some coaching on the ketogenic diet these labs and say, What was the value of these labs with its labs presented to him? We have certain areas of great concern that you really ought to focus on and let's keep dragging them and maybe re test in a couple months. 2nd 1 was intracellular will see if the's those two panels correlated gave the set of same conclusion, which they kind of did. They supplemented each other, We're gonna get into genome, and we have yet to get into hormones. And that would be his Complete is complete package. So you go. We haven't even got into talking about exercise yet, which will be a chai tea because of how it affects the blood's where I started this particular podcast, Um, how it affects the blood, your glucose levels and in essence, your training, your metabolism. We're gonna run a little lower now, since I have exercise on a regular basis, we're gonna run on lower average like Lucas. So now what we do is that it gave us some. There were certain concerns in the lab, so we did have to supplement for short term supplements. By the way, big disclaimer are not forever there just for a little bit. So when we see it, something's low in the blood that we can address. Buy supplements, keeping it simple. That's what we do to bring them back up to being within good range. Okay, so that's the That's the process to me. I think this should be every buddies plan for reversing, whether he wants a losing weight, reversing diabetes. An interesting thing is that I take the same program, and now I'm working with people that are focused on auto immune. And so I wanted to go with that a little bit. You know, the number one reason for people doing ketogenic diet are considering doing the ketogenic diet is for weight loss. But the problem is, there's not a little good coaching out there. They sort of think of all I just had to drop my carbs and increase my fats. And actually that's probably more than most people know and they'll get some results, but they won't sustain it. So I think there's a d. I think you really do need to be coached through this, and I always get a little bit aggravated when there's a comment on the Facebook group that you know somebody struggling or something and somebody else said, Oh, I just tried this and it all changed well, those air two entirely different people and different context. We don't know what their diets like and if they're in their forties, fifties or sixties, and they buy accumulated whatever they've been exposed to in their lives, and it's a very different context again. So it's hard just to sort of say, I treat this go do this and that's been my issue with just sort of saying, Hey, high fat, low carb is good for everybody. I think high fat, low carb absolutely should be out there as this new norm. Clearly, because we've been lied to for the last 50 years, that has to be changed out. But for the other 50 we really have to look at what's keeping them, and it's not just all discipline, and it's not just lack of education. It's really getting behind and saying, You know these medications Also, you talk about the people on the medications. You find out these medications have actually created nutritional deficiencies. Well, maybe you can start patching up some of the deficiencies caused by the medications, and these parameters will more quickly come back to a normal range. And therefore you get to go off the medications. What an idea, right to me. That's an obvious idea. And that has been the approach to watch these people. I think that might be the approach for most natural paths out there. It's hard to know you know, the thing about naturopathic medicine that everybody does it differently. So we all went to the same school. But after that, we kind of cut our own paths, and it's overlapping and yet very different in a lot of that depends. I would state there Pakistan. Okay, so, you know, when we talk about the disorders were dealing with now this is under auto immune. We have, you know, neurological issues. M s a. L s to think of a few, and we have endocrine disorders such as thyroid. You know Hashimoto's. We have gut auto immune disorders, which is crones, ulcerated colitis. Graves by the bay would be an integrated one as well. We have genetic, which you call glued for disorders. You have muscular skeletal, so for that you even have things like pretty extreme cerebral palsy. You could help that situation in other neurological ones, and then other auto immune would be. The show grins sarcoidosis. So it's amazing that you can take the same approach that we started for what I call a bio integrated weight loss program and simply hardly any tweaking it at all. The labs might be slightly different, but I've been getting out the same lab panels to three different people and finding out what I need to focus on or don't need to focus on and had a number of surprises in that panel. It's like, Wow, you're actually really pretty good at your insolence. Fine, and your glucose is fine or pretty close to find. So that's not so much the issue. And let's look at some other things. So that level of bio integration that we have the basic blood work that you would get from your doctor, plus some special tests that I include. I believe they're special. We then do intracellular for nutritional deficiencies, hormones, genome and last heavy metals. Then you can go further with environmental toxins, but it's such a big area that I just try to keep it simple. And, uh, we talk about that because look it, we've lived in a polluted world for last 50 years, six years, eight years. So you're gonna buy accumulate. And if some of those things have been the obstacle that's driving, you're huh condition your your weight gain, you're huh auto, immune or whatever, then that has to be addressed. But we look at that last. So I just thought that I would bring up in these different ways of doing things. And it's interesting to see these successes so again and looking at these different cases, and when I bring somebody new on, I just started another spreadsheet slapping next all of the other ones without the names, of course. So they get to see a spread of how people react to this and the reason I think that's a good thing, and I think that's an excellent education tool is because often when you go to your doctor, often when you go to your doctor, you know you get. He tells you what blood work to get. You come back and you get the interpretation you hope from him, and that's a SW far as it goes. And sometimes if you're abnormal and always been slightly abnormal in whatever panels, whether it's the lipid panel are something else inflamed inflammation or something you just accept. That's your role in life. You know, you're one of those people, but when you see people like you that no, they have different labs and you could be like them, they're lab. That is by just changing a little bit of your lifestyle that that's a big influence. So that's a big message to convey. And then also in somebody's normal in certain things ago, I guess everybody's normal. Well, not everybody is normal and that they're out of range and other things. You can explain how that might have come about, and you see that in a larger context. So seeing a larger pool I'm not talking hundreds larger pool of numbers to compare to is really enlightening for the individual to say, Huh? Really? And so, therefore, and it goes back to the motivation. Of course. Therefore, they're a little more focused, not just motivated anymore. They're motivated, of course, but they're focused on. They have something to change. They have some numbers from labs to change, and I find those little goals. Those targets make it very specific for them. And if they didn't really have those just the idea of, let's say, weight loss. Well, that's That's a number, right? You you measure on this scale or you can measure by your fat mess. However, you want to measure it simple or sophisticated, it's a number. But when you have that context, your context spread out a little bit and you see your inflame it. Torrey markers drop you see year wait drop. Of course, you see other blood parameters that are high are out of range. Come back in normal range. That really then makes you believe that this is worth doing and this is the home base. In terms of lifestyle slash dietary lifestyle this worth following You've now transformed this person, and there may or may not have been some use of supplements, depending on what we found with those labs. But supplements are not forever. I don't care what they are. They are not forever. There's very few things that are forever. Harris forever. Water is for good. Clean water is forever on. Obviously, caloric intake is forever. And you were qualifying that Certainly both by being clean and going through the macros, etcetera. So that's what I wanted to explain. Isn't it interesting? And when you now put a larger context of knowledge, we stamp it out. This is you. This is you and your blood work and explain why some of these things were relevant, right? We don't lose them. In this forest of labs go thes air. The things that you're out of range and this is why I'm concerned or one could be concerned about them. And then we go into everybody has, ah, somewhat of a clue about nutrition. So we look into inter cellular new deficiencies, nutritional deficiencies, that they'll understand what b 12 minutes or fully to our what carnitine or central fatty acids. You know, they get that and I can explain that in a larger context as well. Then we go into hormones where they all know a little bit about hormones. And as men get older, by the way, there their testosterone drops. But, you know, you got a question where some of this research came from and what I mean is up until about six months ago, maybe, But up until pretty recently, all the labs that we get on the norms for women or men you pick your variable was from a population that were carved eaters. There were some a population that where was a high carbohydrate, probably a low fat, and we'll assume moderate protein, if not low protein. So that's the population that we were coming up with these labs. Once you change the labs to high fat, low carb, moderate protein, suddenly you find, as we found with Alzheimer's and a lot of neurological conditions that change alone, we'll change their condition. So when I look back at the Allman, you know they're they're testosterone level declines with age. It also happens within women. It's well, slightly differently, But so some men go. Okay, well, I'll just go out and I'll take testosterone below. Let's back up. Let's back up. Why do we think testosterone dropped? And then, as they aged? Well, it could be in the mirror. Thinks it could be because they worked out less. When you're younger, besides having other hormones, you run around a lot more. You might be a near athlete. You might have done all those team sports. You might have done all these other things, but as you got it, the young adults maybe you started a family or the job you worked out less. You're certainly far less active. And guess what? Your muscle mass started to decrease. Maybe your muscle mass got to the point that you were lower than quote, uncle. Whatever the norm was, have your lower your under muscled that's called Sarko Pina Pina Being small Sarko basically meaning flashed in this case muscle. So you're under muscle. That mere fact, which was clearly happens. As men get older, they work out left. So I'm not talking about biological changes. I'm talking about an activity created less muscle mass. The less muscle mass consequently is correlated with lower testosterone. So if you have low muscle mass lower to saucer, so maybe that's what we're measuring. We're not just measuring a hormonal decline over time or measuring is all these other factors that have led to that hormonal decline over time and that could be changed. So back to the guy, Let's say you go. So I was told I had low testosterone. First of all, you have to ask, How is that test tested was tested on a 24 hour basis or a 20 hour basis through urine. That would be much better, as opposed to just a blood. He went in. He had her blood drawn and you measured it. Time of day has a lot to do hormone levels, so it would be a wasted test. If you did, you just buy blood. So but this is And there's a market for this, by the way. Hey, we give testosterone because it changes their greatest life. Why don't you give some of the precursors to testosterone or change some of the factors that led to lower testosterone? Maybe you'd get a quick go bigger bang for your buck. So if we sent that person into H I t. High intensity training 15 minutes twice a week and they started to build muscle mass, what would we see? We would see an increase in testosterone my gosh, we'd see an increase in certain growth hormones. That's pretty cool. And it didn't have to take anything. Just had to go do some work. Okay, so we go to the hormone panel, we find that actually, we can go way back and take certain precursors if we want to. You that will help with and more unlikely that person who's low testosterone would be low in other hormones as well. So when women, it works that yes, they get low and various, you know you have three different kinds of estrogen up have to get into that separate podcast, but they get low on estrogen while you can do bio identical hormones to take those you know, and that's that's away and you will feel a change. Um, you'll feel less than menopause of one's a woman. And for a man, you'll feel if you just did take testosterone, you probably feel some improvement. But the problem about taking just testosterone for a man in this case is that if you're still overweight and you didn't do the muscle mass thing and you didn't change your diet and you're just taking testosterone is that you'll have a momentary increase in testosterone. But guess what? It gets converted in your fat cells to estrogen, so it's like in one door and out the other. Maybe not 100%. So you've a percentage does stay around his testosterone, but a lot gets converted back to, um, estrogen. That's why when men get older and not necessarily in fact, they get the man boobs they call a guy in a mask. Yah, that's primarily is about estrogen, and that gives them the ah, body profile. Change from that is that interesting? But yet it's something. My point is it's something that you can take action and change all that. It takes commitment to an action. But guess what? Our forebearers back a number of generations ago were far more active than the what we were, and they were far more active for a millennia or two millennia before that. So that's how we evolved to be active through till the end of our life. We were hoping to the nineties plus and stay fit. Then who are we to think now as modern humans that we can get away with just sitting around all day? For whatever reason, sitting around cause we have to work like I'm sitting here now. Well, it's not meant that way we started. We still have a requirement to be fulfilled by our our genetic composition that we inherited from all those people before us. So therefore, if we can step back into their lifestyle to a degree 50 minutes twice, we clearly that's not hard on anybody. And you are in this particular case of the study that I was reading about. You know, this woman 65? Did you know high intensity interval training, which is doing one exercise that another exercise over a short period of time? Kind of a Sabata method of timed intervals? Um, that's a big deal as an independent variable. And then we change the mackerels in their diets that sensational. So my feelings are. If you go back to you, let's say this individual who is not on supplements, who is not on medication. So you didn't have to worry about those particular obstacles and and they were willing man or woman, and they were willing to do high intensity training and a high fat, low carb diet, a k a ketogenic diet that they would create significant changes. They would feel better. They would sleep better. They obviously will look better as they start dropping their weight. So that's the core of it. So I come back always to the same question. If it's that easy, why's that? The 50% more or less it doesn't work for and exploring these other factors. Like the other people in the group, they had labs that could be addressed, that needed to be addressing was that could be needed to be addressed somewhere on beds somewhere on supplements, somewhere on both. And they were sort of locked in, took a longer change. Some of the examples of medications that I've you know, you really have to think through this. You're not gonna be able to find papers out there. One was GABA. Penton Govern. Pension is called Neurontin, and it sounds like its name. It makes Gabba, and Gap is the same thing you've now heard that is made by increasing the ketogenic. I mean, that's the reflective neural transmitter that I like to talk about. Okay, then. So you now have a person who's taking the thing. The neurotransmitter that a ketogenic diet would produce. Well, what happens. There's kind of a feedback there, and it's parallel to what we actually do know by a study. Is that when exogenous key tones came out? They're all the rage three years ago, four years ago, is it now? We know if you take exogenous key towns, they actually prevent you from losing. Wait, they prevent you from burning fat. Let's think that through. Well, you're taking the thing that the ketogenic diet will make. I'm talking about key Town, so you're taking specifically GHB bid on drugs and Beaudry, a key town which is one of the three the main key town that's produced by ketogenic die. And so your body more than likely has a feedback mechanism. Hey, we're gonna be burning fat to make key tones, and you get the feedback of Oh, I already have key tones in the bloodstream. We don't need to make him, so it actually prevents you from burning fat. Is that interesting? I'm not saying excited. Ski tones are never worthwhile. Obviously, for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, they can't make their key tones take him. They convict him and, uh, see a Q M C T oil. Obviously, something I love. Um, all those air. Good. But what I'm saying is it may not always be good for, let's say, weight loss. So now we're back to gap. Well, gap is another thing we know that is produced when you're on the ketogenic diet, and my guess is, and there's no research on this. This is where you have to do your own detective work. Is it because gabby is your force feeding your body with Gabba that your body is not gonna be burning fat because you're It's one of those feedback mechanism. Sale gap is already there. We're not gonna do that. Let's shut it down. So it's hard for you to burn fat. That's that's proven to be true with one of the people. And the group was very disciplined about his diet. And the other thing is, was about melatonin. You know, we all hear about what takes something natural so you don't have to take a medication. My view is, all supplements can potentially be as dangerous and or as effective and has many side effects as a medication. So it's potentially there are a lot less. They're kind of over the counter, so they're supposed to be a lot less potent. You're not. Prescription strength is is a But however you just take 10 of those things or do the things you're supposed to take one of it was prescription. So you basically get your prescription strength. All right. Back to melatonin. Well, melatonin, we know we produce, we produce it at night, and it's one of the good things during the day. You want to get the bright lights, see the bright lights, it stimulates yours. For one. It's shuts down your melatonin during the day by your bright lights, and then you don't do the right lights at night, and then it increases your secretion of melatonin at night. So you're more tired. Okay, So if somebody wants to take some more melatonin atop of them for whatever reason, they say I can't go to sleep. And they didn't look into the natural things they need to do to make their own body and agreement with sleeping at night. Okay, well, met melatonin actually suppresses insulin, which means that night your glucose is going to go up a little bit. The thinking is, or perspective on why melatonin does that. Is that it gives your pancreas arrest. That's when your pancreas has a time off. It's sort of shuts down your pancreas, your beta cells, from producing insulin, and you go not completely. It's just it's a relative term. Okay, all right. Got that kind of by that. That's interesting, you know, And obviously it's going on for many millennia, so it must be kind of a normal path. So now melatonin, a hormone that you can buy over the counter. There you go. I want, you know, two grams, five grams, 10 grams, 20 grams. It's also used for cancer treatment, but that would be a isolated special reason for that. So there, now, adding to the insulin suppression at night. Granted, maybe their pancreas thanks him for it. But in the morning, they're gonna find their glucose levels are a lot higher. Even s has prevented themselves from dropping their glucose levels because they've been taking melatonin. And obviously the dose would matter a big degree. But I would say if you can avoid doing something as strong as taking a hormone, just because it's common doesn't mean that it's nothing. Um, why not get to bed a regular time and I do with the call. Sleep hygiene, cool room, dark room. You're going to bed at the the same time every night, ideally before 10. Get up five or six. Why not have Cale moves? Camomile tea or maybe valerian? We just we do camomile tea at night kind of has become a ritual. Doesn't s so they put me to sleep. Certainly a lot of tea. So thes in my points that point of discovery supplements are not nothing. They all have their effects. We all think they're safe. We take a lot of them, they create a problem. Now we have to undo the problem. Especially of it, if in any way affect insulin levels if in any way, it affects glucose levels. So now we get those things out of the way, and then we can begin to let the ketogenic diet take its effect. Is that interesting? So back to my quest to finding out. Why does dozens the ketogenic guy work for 50% of the people? I'm getting my answers. It's for these other reasons. And you get these other reasons out of the way or address them individually. The ketogenic guy I believe will eventually work for 100% of the people. But there's a lot of work you have to do ahead of time for some of them. Okay, I will end on that note and the reason I one of the reasons I went over So this my approach to weight loss and now treating autoimmune and so on so forth it's to show there's kind of ah ah, universal truth. It can be kind of carved out of both these labs and sort of diet that you can pretty much adapt to any situation will be some tweaking and certainly you have to work with that particular person in front of you. Cancer is if you're working with cancer patients. Adjunctive Lee on this aspect, I would still be doing the same thing regardless if they were going in with radiation or chemo. So on so forth, you have to work in great compliance with that particular ah, medical advisor with the So I hope you got something out of it. I hope this wasn't too complicated, but it was a little bit off the top of my head, and I think that this is the evolving paradigm for how you treat people. 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