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Health & Fitness Redefined
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Health & Fitness Redefined
Transforming Medicine with Advanced Genetic Insights
Can understanding your genetic blueprint save your life? Join Anthony Amen on Health and Fitness Redefined as he sits down with Dahlia Attia-King, the trailblazing founder and CEO of Panacea. Dahlia's story is nothing short of inspiring—transitioning from a hopeful medical student to a leader in health tech, she has dedicated her career to making clinical genetic testing both accessible and affordable. Through their engaging conversation, you’ll learn how Panacea is disrupting the healthcare industry by providing vital genetic information that empowers individuals to take preventive measures against life-threatening diseases.
Discover the eye-opening differences between consumer genetic tests like 23andMe and the in-depth clinical genetic tests offered by Panacea. Dahlia shares the obstacles she’s faced in making genetic testing a mainstream preventive tool, from battling insurance companies to addressing the lack of genetic training among healthcare professionals. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the future of medicine, offering valuable insights into how genetic information can be a game-changer in proactive healthcare. Tune in and be a part of this transformative journey towards universal genetic testing accessibility!
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Hello and welcome to Health and Fitness Redefined. I'm your host, anthony. Amen and welcome to another great episode. I hope you guys have been enjoying this wonderful summer as much as I have. The wife is just getting more and more pregnant. It's just a little personal update. We only got two months left, so lots of fun. So if you don't see me for a while because I batch report everything, you don't get updates. You know why. Crying baby background with dog not a fun combination. So, with that being said, without further ado, let's talk about the show. Dahlia Tia King. I hope I got that right. Perfect Welcome to the show. Dahlia Tia King. I hope I got that right. Perfect Welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to have you today.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me. I'm actually excited to be here and chat with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. Before we get into today's topic, just tell everyone a little bit about yourself, and this is an odd field, so I'd love to see how you even got into it to begin with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so thanks again for having me Quick intro about myself. I am Dahlia Atiyah-King and I'm actually the founder and CEO of a health tech startup called Panacea, and our entire mission at Panacea is essentially to make life-saving clinical genetic testing much more accessible and affordable so that anyone that wants to access their genetic information can. This is probably a little bit different than the genetic testing we're all very well aware of, right, we've heard of 23andMe and Ancestry and all of these you know kind of cool, interesting tests that can even tell us what kinds of foods we're sensitive to or our sleep patterns, or, you know, our ability to build muscle or ability to lose weight, and those are, of course, super interesting. Those are, of course, super interesting, mostly accessible tests, but there is very deep, very comprehensive testing that can also tell you what kinds of diseases you could really be at risk for, and that type of testing is typically called clinical testing and it's usually used in medicine, right, a lot of times genetic testing is used in care, usually when people are already sick. Someone that has cancer might get a genetic test to better target their care or better target the types of medicines they're taking. But what we're trying to do at Panacea is get this type of testing in the hands of people as a preventative tool right, so that people can identify where their risks are and really get ahead of those risks so that they can prevent these problems from happening altogether. That's obviously a little bit about Panacea and the company, but if you were to ask me 10 years ago what I would be doing today, I promise you it would not have been the founder of any company, let alone a health tech company.
Speaker 2:I actually was on my way to medical school. I really wanted to be a doctor, I wanted to help people and I wanted to follow in the footsteps of my dad and my grandfather. And I had just graduated from the University of Miami and I got this super obscure opportunity to work for a small group of genetic labs and I was like okay, sure I'll make some extra pocket money. You know why not. I took the job and my job, anthony, was to basically introduce genetic testing to doctors and to have them use it in the care of their patients, and this was like a no brainer. Of course doctors are going to want to use this test. Genetics is the future of healthcare. You know. Patients are going to want this. This is brilliant, easy money, right. It was like 90 days, maybe like 120 days. I sold zero tests and made $0.
Speaker 2:And I very quickly realized that there were major problems in healthcare and specifically in genetics, and two of those major problems essentially prevented people from accessing genetic testing altogether. People whose lives could be saved by this test weren't able to get the test, and it's primarily because insurance companies are not doing a really great job of widely covering this test for people, so of course, your insurance company is not going to cover it, you're not going to get it, and doctors themselves unfortunately, admittedly so lack the training on how to use genetics and genetic testing in care of their patients, and so doctors aren't really on board, insurance companies aren't really on board. Nobody's going to get this type of test. No matter how lifesaving it is, no matter how incredible and innovative the tech is, nobody's going to get it. And that's exactly what's happening today.
Speaker 2:Very few people are getting their hands on this test, and they're usually getting it when it's too late. They already have cancer, they already have a lot of problems that could have been prevented, and I decided to change that with my company, and so we bring this type of testing with expert guidance like trained physicians, and genetic counseling, all to you in literally the click of a few buttons. You can purchase a test right on our site, schedule a session with a genetic counselor right on our site and get this test sent to your home. Swab your cheek, you send it back to the lab and 21 business days your entire genetic profile has been reviewed and um written up in a report for you to take a look at.
Speaker 1:So I'm not shocked. You sold zero.
Speaker 2:I mean I was to be honest with you but that I know what I know about the industry and I know all the gaps and all the like serious problems that exist. I'm not surprised today, but let me clarify.
Speaker 1:I'm not shocked because my entire family is doctors and we get into fights. We get into fights consistently or for even basic. I'm talking like here's the example I always use from start, beating a dead horse to my audience doctors still use bmi and I want to go in there and just like strangle them. No, I'm teasing the nice food imbalance like why can't a simple test going from BMI to body fat? It takes seconds to measure someone's body fat and you get way better of a profile of an individual. You get way better of understanding if they're healthy, you can tell if people who are overweight are truly overweight, who are overweight are truly overweight. And you can tell people who are thin, which is the sickest population, if that thin is visceral fat or if they're just skinny and have no fat. And those that are visceral fat you're going to see their lives. So it's pretty easy just to sorry, frustrating point.
Speaker 2:I think you know what, though I think that's such a brilliant example? It's an example of a metric that is very archaic and practically useless, right, that is still utilized today. A lot of doctors will tell you, listen, this is one metric. It's not what we base everything on, but it's some metric, but it is, just like you were saying, a metric that doesn't really tell you much, right, about the real health of a person, and we see it in a lot of things, and genetic testing is one of those things. There's many areas where healthcare traditional healthcare today is kind of falling short, so I totally understand your frustration. Your frustration is essentially similar to the reason why I started this company, because I knew there was a better way to do this, and I knew that this wasn't only something people wanted to have access to.
Speaker 1:It's something that could really save lives and change healthcare, and so I we still have doctors that tell our clients to stop working out, and it's just, it's mind blowing. Or they tell them that they don't need to work out more than one day a week, and they're going to blowing. Or they tell them that they don't need to work out more than one day a week, and they're going to be healthy. Or they tell them that they just need to run and they'll be healthy. It's just these things.
Speaker 2:It's really interesting some of the guidance that does exist out there. I mean, of course, not all doctors are going to say that Of course.
Speaker 1:We shouldn't generalize.
Speaker 2:Sure, of course, and I hope there's many doctors that would disagree with that guidance. I'm sure there are. But yeah, you're always going to find those outliers who are, you know, totally against something that there is empirical evidence and data to support. And it's just because it's actually very difficult to get people to change behaviors. Even very educated, very trained individuals like doctors right, they don't change their behaviors very easily. It's part of the struggle that we deal with as a company, right, one of the things that we have to overcome is showing the data, showing the evidence, educating people, but also convincing people to change their behavior, and that is probably harder than anything I've ever done. And so it's. Yeah, it's a big, big struggle, and I think it's significantly more obvious in healthcare.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I would like to talk more specifically about genetic testing, because it's a very interesting field. I got to stop saying genetic testing health screening based upon DNA testing, which is a little more accurate description. But just as a, I want to start with the basic one, right? So Alzheimer's? Right, alzheimer's is something we test genetic markers for to see if you are predispositioned to developing the disease.
Speaker 2:True, yeah, so Alzheimer's risk is something you can assess through a hereditary disease test. That is correct. Now, the thing that's really important to identify and to understand when you're talking about any hereditary disease testing whether it's for Alzheimer's or cancer or cardiovascular risk or neurological disorders what have you? The key, the very important piece for everyone to understand is this is a risk assessment. Piece for everyone to understand is this is a risk assessment. In this case, it is not used as a diagnostic.
Speaker 2:Nothing that comes out in your results is set in stone. You could have a bunch of mutations that increase your risk for a bunch of things and you never end up developing those things. Or vice versa you have a completely blank, boring test with no genetic mutations and at some point you get cancer right, or cardiovascular disease or Alzheimer's. So this is a very powerful risk assessment tool because it gives you a, because it gives you a pretty reliable clue as to what could potentially happen, right? So I don't want anybody leaving this episode to think, okay, I have to get a genetic test because I need to know if I'm going to get cancer. It will not tell you that, right. It will simply explain to you the risk percentage that you may have because of a specific genetic combination that you inherited from mom and dad. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is kind of my point, because I know a lot of people who've gotten tested. I'm really glad you said that it's an assessment of something. It's not definitive, and vice versa.
Speaker 2:That's right. It is a risk assessment. The reason why a risk assessment is important is because it does clue you in to the possibilities. Without this risk assessment, you are shooting in the dark, right? You have no clues, you have no leads, you have, you know, no insight whatsoever and you're kind of blanketing your care into. Well, I'm casting a wide net. I hope I catch something right With a risk assessment. With that information, you can extract very detailed information into where your specific risk areas might be and that way you can curate your health, your fitness, your wellness, your disease prevention efforts on this one area or multiple areas, if you have multiple areas. So it is essentially you know searching for treasure with a map right, rather than searching for treasure and aimlessly. You know wandering around hoping you stumble upon something right. That's why this stuff is so powerful. It is not meant to scare you. It is not meant to give you a test sentence. It's meant to arm you and empower you with better, clearer, more accurate information. That's why this stuff exists and that's why it's so powerful.
Speaker 1:Is there any specific markers that are more accurate as a risk assessment than others, like other specific diseases that are? You should pay more attention to this, as opposed to this showing up on your DNA.
Speaker 2:That's a very good question. So genetics and genetic testing is really only as advanced as the scientific knowledge and understanding of genetics overall? Right, so genetic testing is only as advanced as our scientific knowledge of genetics. Today we have more scientific understanding of certain genes and their role and their you know risk percentages in diseases versus others, right? So you may have a genetic mutation that increases your risk for cancer by 20 times or, you know, 10 times or whatever, and that is essentially based on the robust scientific body, right, scientific evidence that we have to support this particular gene mutation. Some other mutations we may have very little data on, right? Some studies showed that it may have increased somebody's risk by 10%. Some other studies might show that it only increased somebody's risk by 2%. Right, so they're not as well understood and as well studied.
Speaker 2:Now, the good news is you'll have this information when you get your results. You'll be able to. You're essentially your genetic counselor, who we would pair you up with. We'll be able to tell you listen, this genetic mutation is very well studied and we know, we're very confident that it could increase your risk for cancer by X amount. We're very confident in that. There's other genetic mutations that they'll tell you, listen, we have some studies that might support a slight increase and some studies that might support a little bit more mild or moderate increase. So take this with a grain of salt, keep it in the back of your head, make sure that you talk to your doctor about this area, get any screenings or tests that might help you. But we only understand this particular mutation in you know in general, not in depth. So yes, to answer your question in a long-winded way, there are a varying degree of risks that can come, based on our scientific knowledge and understanding of those genes and what they're doing to our health.
Speaker 1:And then how is a genetic counselors pairing the person after looking at the results? In a sense, are they saying go to your doctor and talk about it. Or are they saying go to your doctor and then you need to eat a diet higher in magnesium, just as a random?
Speaker 2:So yeah, so genetic counselors are the absolute clinical experts on interpreting genetic testing.
Speaker 2:In fact, they have more training than even a physician on what particular mutations cause and what risks they carry. So when you sit down with a genetic counselor, they'll be able to tell you basically what your results mean and what they don't mean. Your genetic counselor will always advise that after your genetic counseling session, you take this information, plus the summary that they will provide you after the session, to your doctor so that you can have a discussion about what your healthcare plan could look like. Right, but you will leave your genetic counseling session with our partner genetic counselors understanding what to do and what risks you have and what risks you don't have, without a shadow of a doubt. That's something that you will definitely walk away from understanding.
Speaker 1:That's cool. So I give you a baseline of basically where you need to look at pay attention.
Speaker 2:Exactly Things you need to consider and, again, what your tests mean and what they don't mean. That is almost just as important as understanding what they do mean, because there's a lot of misunderstanding on what information can be extracted from a genetic report and genetic test, and genetic counselors do a very good job at explaining the realities and what things mean and what they don't mean.
Speaker 1:So that's that's why it's like super important and, yes, they give you action items and next steps and things to do with your doctor and that corrects me if I'm wrong on this, but that dna can be damaged based upon somebody's diet and lifestyle, and, yes, is that something that you can pick up on while seeing somebody?
Speaker 2:That's also a very good question. So what we're looking at is we're looking at hereditary risk, basically the risk that you inherited at the moment you were conceived right, the risk that is carried in the genes that mom gave you and in the genes that dad gave you. This risk is actually completely separate from lifetime risk and exposure and environmental risk.
Speaker 1:It's not being added in to give you an overall.
Speaker 2:No, the reason why this type of testing is so important is because this is kind of the baseline risk. This is what you're born with. These are the instructions that your body follows from day one. This is entry-level risk. This is where it all starts. It's the beginning of the story, and that's really important because it could really help clue you on what could potentially happen throughout your lifetime. It also is important to consider your environmental risk, your lifetime risk, right. What you're exposed to, your diet, your stress levels all these things that impact our genes and our overall health are also important to note, but they are separate from the risk that you've got at point of conception from mom and dad. That is the baseline, and you really do need to understand that to even begin to start talking about all the other risks. It's the, it's the it's step one really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and obviously just like. Just like genetic, where they keep your DNA and use it in a compile pool to update it. You guys are doing the same thing.
Speaker 2:So we are not doing that today, but it is definitely something in our future plans and coming down the pipeline. We absolutely want to be able to continuously update our users on the latest scientific data and knowledge that could pertain to their particular genetic makeup, and that is very important because, while your particular inherited, you know, series of genes doesn't change, your actually science changes, right, scientific knowledge changes and science changes, and so we need to update that and make sure that we always reference that with our genetic information to make sure that we always stay updated. And today it's actually in medicine, specifically when we're talking about hereditary disease risks, that continual updating is not very widely available. It's something that's very much lacking in the space, so we certainly hope to be able to do that in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were just talking did an episode on wearables, so it's very similar with storing people's personal data if you don't have their names attached to it, and I can understand how it can get complex pretty quickly. It is.
Speaker 2:It is complex and we also believe that people should have the choice as to whether their data is stored or their data is referenced or updated. And that adds another complexity right, a complexity layer, because now we're giving people control. It's not always our choice and we are not the only ones in control of this data. In fact, we want the user to be in control of what happens and how their data is used. So that certainly does add complexity to what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1:No, it's definitely better that way, because I know we're like ancestors To me. You don't get a choice.
Speaker 2:Not really, yeah, not really. And what's wild is that that's completely within the legal rights of the company. The courts in the United of tissue or blood or anything leaves your body. It's really now up to the holder of that DNA what is done with it. The only thing that you have the right, of course, to have is privacy protection, which is kind of what HIPAA stipulates, and as long as your information is stripped from that DNA, anything can happen to that DNA. Granted, I don't think ne DNA anything can happen to that DNA? Granted, I don't think nefarious things are happening to that DNA. I live in this world. I know what's being done with this stuff. There's not a lab phoning you in China, right Like it's not happening.
Speaker 2:Hey, you don't know this, at least that's my belief, but my point is that you still should have the right to control what happens to your DNA, and, although it's not a legal requirement for our company to offer our users that, we believe it's the ethical right thing to do, and so we essentially plan on doing that, hopefully in the near future and not far future, but yes, it's very complicated. We're not legally obligated to do it and, yeah, most people that have your DNA have every right to have your DNA as long as you're identifying information from it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very true. What do you think is the next step for testing in this realm Like looking at someone's healthcare DNA, like where do you think this is headed? Or or do you see really on the horizon that we're going to be able to test something we used to not be able to test for, Like, what do you think is coming next?
Speaker 2:So I actually think gene editing is probably the next big thing in genetics. It's actually already here. It's already being done for very specific conditions, but it's not generally, you know, something that's used in standard healthcare. But I think that is probably what our next big, like you know, sexy, shiny thing in genetics is going to be. It's definitely going to be gene editing.
Speaker 2:The problem with gene editing, of course, and in unexplored territory, is you don't really know where to draw the line right. So there's always ethics conversations and moral conversations and what should we edit, what should we not edit? You know designer babies and all of this stuff, right. So that needs to be more ironed out. I think we need to kind of all come to some sort of consensus on where the line is. But, like I said, it's already being utilized with certain conditions.
Speaker 2:There's certain eye conditions, I believe, that cause blindness in children that already have gene editing tools live essentially, and these tools live essentially and these ailments are being addressed with these minor gene edits that are essentially like changing the lives of people. So it's pretty cool and I think it's going to be the future in genetics. I think what we need to do first really is address the accessibility issue and the affordability issue, which is literally why we exist right, because the tech is here. It's not about the tech not being here. It's about the tech being widely available and being cost effective and having the administrators of these tests, like physicians, being trained on how to utilize this stuff properly and making sure people can actually afford it Right, and not not even involving health insurance in the whole funding process, because they are actually not incentivized to use these types of tests. So making them affordable for people to access them and pay for them themselves is really what we're all about.
Speaker 1:That's cool. Yeah, it's important to make things out there. I mean, insurance companies won't even cover personal training, so we're in that same boat.
Speaker 2:Exactly. They won't even address the basic necessities, right? So yeah, it was, my AirPods are falling out.
Speaker 1:Just to get again very interested in this conversation. So just yet again I'm very interested in this conversation. I want to stick with Alzheimer's just because I think it's one that's personally affected me in my life and I know I've suspected a lot of other people. No-transcript. Have we figured out a way or do you think we're going to figure out a way to change it? Like you mentioned, gene editing, is there something we can do to progress to help get rid of that chromosome or edit it to make it not deteriorate our brains, like? I don't know the question you're trying to ask, but I really want to approach your detail in the Alzheimer's section, trying to ask, but I really want to approach your detail in the Alzheimer's section.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so just to be clear, I am certainly not an expert on gene editing and Alzheimer's in general, right? So I just want to make that very clear. I'm not a physician and I'm not a geneticist. I have physicians and geneticists on my team certainly that know way more than I do and they're probably better suited to answer this question. But I will tell you the very basics that I understand about Alzheimer's. So unfortunately, we know very little about the causes of Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2:There is some evidence, obviously, to suggest that there are a few genes and a few gene mutations that may increase the risk for Alzheimer's. I think it's specifically the APOE4 gene that carries the greatest risk, and if you have one copy of that gene meaning mom or dad gave you one copy of the gene then your risk increases certainly above the average person. If you have two copies of APOE4, I believe so you got a copy from mom and you got a copy from dad then your risk for Alzheimer's increases significantly. So we know that this gene and this gene mutation are playing significant roles in a good portion of the people that develop Alzheimer's. I don't know exactly what percentage of people that develop Alzheimer's have this particular mutation. So I won't quote that, but it certainly does seem to play a role, to play a role If further research supports that it truly has a significant role on Alzheimer's, then yes, I do believe that eventually, with gene editing, we could certainly edit that faulty version of that gene for people and significantly reduce their risk With Alzheimer's.
Speaker 2:Though there are likely many other variables that are sort of contributing to the development of the disease. I don't think we really identified what those variables really are. There could be other genetic variables, other genes, that we still don't really know. You know what they're doing or how they're contributing to Alzheimer's, but if it is genetic in nature, I do think that gene editing certainly can help.
Speaker 2:The good news also about Alzheimer's that I keep hearing about is that it's a very slow moving disease, and so if we can catch it early or identify signs of it early early or identify signs of it early we can really have a better shot at treating Alzheimer's even more so than cancer and more so than heart disease because of how slow the progression is in nature. And so the better we get at identifying risks and the better we get at identifying symptoms early, the more likely we'll be able to either slow the progress or maybe, you know, eliminate the progress of the disease completely. So genes and genetic testing and gene editing might be a small part of the solution and not, you know, a complete part of the solution, but it certainly will be an important piece. Not a complete part of the solution, but it certainly will be an important piece.
Speaker 1:No, I appreciate that explanation. I got reminded while you were talking of a point I made oh my God, three and a half years ago before I started the show. So I wanted to reiterate that because I don't think I've mentioned in a long time and I think it fits perfectly in what you're talking about and risk. I like giving simple examples. Let's say you and I go to a casino right and we play roulette and we're like okay, what are we going to bet on? Red or black, right? Let's say the dealer says you know, I'm going to get rid of two black numbers and take them all. That's going to skew our chances to bet on red and increase our odds of hitting that number correct. So I contribute that to little things you can do to skew the odds in your favor.
Speaker 1:To being healthier. I've always brought this back to health. If I eat healthier, if I avoid fried foods, the dealer will take away a couple of black numbers. If I also work out, they'll take away a couple more. My test engine, my hereditary diseases, and I see what's in my family and I start pinpointing those. They'll take out a couple more. But it's important to assess that. This is why this huge pet peeve. People tell me and I'm sure you get this all the time that they had a friend who was the healthiest person in the world, got tested, had nothing and died at the age of 50 at a massive heart attack. Just because we removed Black numbers does not mean Black was never hit.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's right. That's actually a beautiful analogy. I think it really drives the point home. Risk reduction in these small areas can add up and they can be very helpful, but it does not eliminate risk completely. Right? We're all still dealing with some level of risk, so I think that's really really important, but unfortunately or maybe fortunately, unfortunately, or maybe fortunately we have so many tools at our disposal to continue to eliminate our risk or minimize our risk, right? You and I are actually very much in the same realm right? Prevention of staying healthy, making choices and executing behaviors that are important to do when you're healthy, so that you can continue to stay healthy and not react when excuse the phrase crap hits the fan. Right? So you and I are very much on the same page. I think we're selling the same mission and we're selling the same vision. It is imperative that you use these little opportunities to reduce your risk so that you can basically put yourself in the best position to have as little risk as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like one of my guests put it once, I want to live life on a square, not a typical average loop, which just basically means I want to be born, live life to the fullest. All that we do, and whenever I die, I fall off and die, that's right. Come up and gradually go to death.
Speaker 2:That's right. That's right. No, and I think I think most people would agree with that, with that philosophy and and you know we hear it all the time when it comes to diseases that kill. Usually diseases kill because they are caught very, very late or they're addressed very, very late. And that's really where you see, you know those, the mortality rates. You're talking about really late stage disease or diseases that are treated very, very late, caught, caught late, like cancer specifically, and the mortality risk really goes down.
Speaker 2:When you catch these diseases early, you start treating them early and you know you have this individual who doesn't get, doesn't have this precipitous drop in their health, right.
Speaker 2:And so, again, it's the same philosophy. It's taking action and having behaviors that can keep you healthy, as opposed to treating a problem when it happens and it's it's. I think it's a lot harder to sell that mission and vision to people, because when people are healthy, they're like I'm healthy, I don't need to do that, I'm not going to spend money on that task, I, I'm not going to work out right now. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm fine, right, um, it's. It's a lot easier to convince somebody to take action when there's a big problem looming, when they see it when it's right there, but the bottom line is that when it comes to health and probably a lot of other decisions in our lives, if you take action early and you take action before a problem hits you in the face, you are setting yourself up for success no matter what. So I wholeheartedly agree with your message and your mission, and I hope people listening here also understand the value in that type of behavior.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too, and Dahlia, I'm going to ask you the final questions. I just want to start wrapping this up. First one is if you were to summarize this episode in one or two sentences, what would be your take-home message?
Speaker 2:Oh, man, my take-home message is you are living in a time where healthcare is more accessible to you than ever before and it is also in your control. You can access incredible tools and technology and services that could change your life or save your life, and you are now able to be in the driver's seat of your health. Always need to have your doctors and your you know skilled experts in line with you and co-piloting with you. But today we're living in a day and age where companies like Panacea so many other companies are actually able to bring you these incredible resources right to your door. Take advantage of them. They exist to empower you and make you healthier and keep you alive longer. Just keep your eyes and ears open and take advantage of these things.
Speaker 1:Love it. And then the last question how can people find you, get ahold of you and learn more?
Speaker 2:Sure, so you can check out our website at seekpanaceacom that's S-E-E-K-P-A-N-A-C-E-Acom. We're also on social media at Panacea Genomics on Instagram, and I'd love to offer your audience a special discount which I will share with you, Anthony, and you can post about it so that if they come to our website and they are interested in genetic testing which they certainly should be they could use a special code, just for being listeners and being your audience and as a thank you to you and your audience for having us.
Speaker 1:Appreciate that. Thank you, we'll put it out in the show notes for you. Awesome Dahlia. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you, guys, for listening to this week's episode of Health to Fitness Redefined. Don't forget, hit that subscribe button and join us next week as we dive deeper in this ever-changing field and remember fitness is medicine. Until next time, thank you. Outro Music.
