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Health & Fitness Redefined
Health and Fitness Redefined with Anthony Amen. Take a dive into the health world as we learn how to overcome adversity, depict fact vs fiction and see health & fitness in a whole new light.Fitness Is Medicine
Health & Fitness Redefined
Practical Tips for Health and Financial Stability
Discover the transformative power of diet and naturopathy as we share Rob Natale's extraordinary health journey. Starting with an unexpected wake-up call, Rob faced alarming symptoms like tingling in his hands and feet that blood tests revealed were due to high inflammation and imbalance. Instead of opting for traditional methods, he embraced a naturopathic approach, focusing on aggressive supplementation and a shift from refined to complex carbohydrates. Hear how Rob achieved remarkable weight loss and restored his health by paying close attention to the carbohydrate-to-fiber ratios in his diet.
Economic stress and its ripple effects on health are more connected than you might think. We unpack the multifaceted relationship between financial status and well-being, examining how different income levels face unique health challenges. From the cortisol spikes and poor nutrition often seen in poverty to the health pitfalls of financial illiteracy among the wealthy, we offer practical tips for maintaining health on a budget. Learn how affordable foods like eggs, steel-cut oats, and whey protein can help you stay healthy without breaking the bank, and discover creative ways to make these budget-friendly meals delicious and nutritious.
Balancing financial health with physical well-being is crucial, especially for high-stress professionals like CEOs and medical practitioners. In this episode, we delve into the strain relentless work schedules can put on your health and finances, emphasizing the necessity of financial education and smart investment strategies. Drawing from my own journey from a W-2 employee to a solopreneur and founder of North Score Capital, I share insights on achieving financial independence through passive real estate investing. Learn how securing your financial future can mitigate burnout and promote a healthier work-life balance, and uncover the ABCs of avoiding burnout: Autonomy, Belonging, and Competence.
I hope the fitness food is fine. I'm your host, anthony. Amen, and welcome to another great episode guys that we have for you today. Without further ado, let's introduce today's guest, rob Natale. Merry Christmas, he told me that's what his last name means. So we got Amen and Christmas going on here today. So not talking about religion either, which is hysterical, rob, pleasure to have you on. Hey, anthony, thanks for having me on. Yeah, looking forward to chat with you. Yeah, yeah, me too. We got a fun, interesting topic for all of you today. But before we get into all of that, rob, just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got into this world, not literally, but into the health and fitness world.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely. Thanks, anthony. Again, my name is Rob Natale. I live out in the Northeast, in Boston, and I got into the health and fitness world at really a pretty young age. I was always working out and trying to stay relatively fit just as soon as I was lifting weights in, you know, eighth and ninth grade and have done that ever since. And what happened to me and Anthony I can go through this now in a little bit about my health journey and I was dealing with some health situations about five or six years ago where I really had to seek out some help and guidance to get a lot of what was going on inside my body back on track, which we're going to be getting into on today's episode. I look forward to sharing with you all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would love to talk about that now. So tell us a little bit about what happened and how you got through it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely so. I grew up in I'm Italian, hence the last name, as Anthony was saying at the beginning. So I grew up eating a lot of, a lot of pasta. I love pasta still to this day. I mean, I can bury a pound of pasta really with a snap of my finger, to be honest.
Speaker 2:But it got for me up to around the year 2018. I just started noticing some things, unbeknownst to me at the time, what it meant. So some symptoms. I was getting some tingling in my hands and feet and really didn't know why, didn't really think much of it, to be honest, with you all listening, and I just thought, oh, it's just something random.
Speaker 2:Then I did some blood work and just everything was. There's so many things out of whack. My cortisol was out of whack, my SED rate, which is measuring inflammation inside the body, was through the roof. My cholesterol was. There were so many markers that were a complete mess, and I could tell, too, how I was feeling physically, that I really needed to seek out medical attention and speak to doctors.
Speaker 2:And the route for me, though, that was most effective was not going the traditional Western medicine route, where everything's about treating the symptoms. They're not going after the underlying cure, right where they're predispositioned to put you on some medication and call it a day. I seeked out working with some naturopathic doctors, so I ended up working with two of them, one in Cambridge, right outside of Boston, and the other out in good old Missoula, montana, of all places. I came across this doctor, dr Starbuck, in a magazine and what we ended up doing was really, through a collaborative approach, six, I'd say about four to six months of pretty aggressive supplementation. This one thing, a variety of different supplements, in combination with really changing about the diet and specifically on refined carbohydrates. So I've always historically eaten healthy, grew up just fruits, vegetables, meats, fish, but my thing is I can eat a lot, but my thing is I can eat a lot. So for folks who consider your cheat meal essentially is my cheat day, like one meal I can consume easily a day's worth of calories.
Speaker 1:I can just bury a lot of food in one sitting. There's definitely a food contest going on between you and I so.
Speaker 2:for me, the big thing that we did diet wise was removing refined carbohydrates out of a staple part of my diet, and what I substituted that with was which I always ate, but it was a lot more complex carbs. So I just ate a lot more beans, as an example, or quinoa, and through that four to six month period, all of a sudden I noticed weight was just coming off of me without even really doing anything.
Speaker 2:My caloric intake was very similar, but what was happening was and we did follow-up blood work my SED rate, or my inflammation level in my body, had dramatically reduced, which allows and allowed me to start losing weight. Because I did not realize at the time that if your body's very inflamed, it's much more of a challenge to lose weight flame, it's much more of a challenge to lose weight. And my blood work got back in line, cortisol got back in line, just everything came back. So I ended up losing, you know, 40 to 45 pounds and in totality it was about a year. The first 20 came off very quick and I just got my health back in line.
Speaker 2:And for me now, going forward and I've heard you reference this on a couple episodes, anthony, for those that are more sensitive and very much paying attention to carbohydrates and refined carbohydrates, attention to carbohydrates and refined carbohydrates, the one, what I really focus on, if there's anything on any sort of packages, I look at the carbohydrate to fiber ratio and for me I ideally will. I want to focus on things that no higher than 10 to 1, so if it's 10 grams of carbs, one gram of fiber, like I don't ideally want to go any higher than that. Now, pasta is obviously going to fall in the latter category, but again, that's more of a but that depends on the pasta which are we talking about chickpea pasta I mean you can have like a whole grain pasta, right?
Speaker 1:so that's chickpea pasta.
Speaker 2:I mean you can have like a whole grain pasta, right? So that's miss. Take a look at. Some of the whole grains, though, are still not as some of them.
Speaker 1:Yes, anthony 100 just die, depending on the brand. Yeah, some brands literally just die the grain and call it whole grains yes so it's now a treat.
Speaker 2:It's for the. That's now what, what I do, and I weigh my food, which I used to not do before and for me it's second nature. I just use my fitness pal and understood for those listening that maybe can cause stress Like, oh you know, weigh your food and track, but for me it's just use my fitness pal, I weigh it and I'm good, it's how I track my macros and it's just kind of a part of what I do now and I enjoy it too.
Speaker 1:No, that's perfect. Honestly, I'm not giving you another word. The easiest things like measuring your food is life-saving and people. Let me just be clear If you're going to sit here and tell me that you don't need to measure your food because you can tell what six ounces looks like, you can tell what a cup of rice looks like. You're full bowl of. Yeah, muted myself on that one, not true? The only people I'll even give that exception to are, like five star chefs. Maybe they can, to a T, determine what exactly a cup of rice looks like, because they've been doing it their entire lives. You, me, everybody else bullshit. It's not happening. Go get a food scale, get measuring cups and actually track. You're going to blow yourself away with how you're actually eating. So I like that a lot.
Speaker 2:I'm laughing too, because that's exactly what happened to me Before I used the scale. I was like, oh, this is probably I don't know four or five ounces laughing too, because that's exactly what happened to me before I used the scale. I was like, oh, this is probably I don't know four or five ounces and this.
Speaker 2:And then I got the scale and I started weighing I'm like to use a quote from a dumb and dumber like samsonite. I was way off, I wasn't even close. It was like double what I thought. So I can experience that firsthand with the scale. And they're relatively inexpensive. You get them online for like $10, $15.
Speaker 1:Nothing. It costs nothing. Just weigh your food up, do it and actually start tracking, especially when it comes to protein, because most people just don't eat enough of it. So they think they're eating enough protein, but they're not weighing it and they're just eating more carbs, whatever. Regardless, I'm going to go to the tangent. So you got your inflammation levels down, which is awesome.
Speaker 1:People don't realize how important inflammation is in the body. Just eating a bunch of junk food all the time or eating things that you're intolerant to can lead to inflammation. High, copious amounts of sugar can lead to inflammation. Copious amounts of sugar can lead to information. Copious amounts of salt, if you have sensitivities to it, can lead to information. So, making sure you keep on track. We had a client who lost six pounds I'm going to put quotation marks for those listening audio in a couple days. It wasn't fat, obviously, it was information. It was all water retention, she was holding on to, all blood she was holding on to because her diet was shit and we fixed it, got under control and it was gone that's awesome.
Speaker 2:That's great.
Speaker 1:I love hearing stories like that yeah, no, I appreciate, appreciate you, that I know personally and professionally, which I do want to touch upon. You do finances right, and a lot of people always talk about, well, how is health and fitness related to finances? And I've done I think God you lose track one or two episodes on the connection to it. But I think it's important and I'm going to state a point and then I want One or two episodes on the connection to it. But I think it's important and I'm going to state a point and then I want you to follow up on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so finances from all aspects of life, regardless of who you are as an individual, are directly related to your health in more avenues than one. For example, those that are in poverty tend to be unhealthier than those that are not, those that are in upper middle class tend to be unhealthier than those that are middle class, and those that are extremely wealthier tend to be healthier than those are in upper class. So it's not a straight linear curve up. It's more like a little sp and it's directly related to not knowing not knowing how much food costs, not knowing how to portion your finances out and then ultimately, if you don't take care of your finances. You get an increased level of cortisol levels because you're stressed out of your mind. That's all you're thinking about is I got to make money, I got to make money, I got to make money. Everything else falls to the wayside. You tend not to work out, you tend to eat on the go, et cetera, et cetera. So pick up from there, correct me if I'm wrong and let's move the street forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as far as you got the correlation between the two right. Is that what you're saying, anthony? Yeah, yeah. So a lot of what you said is spot on, I think the biggest piece too. There's that expression, that and I'm going to be paraphrasing it, this isn't going to be word for word, but the individuals who are sick, they have one wish, and that's just to be healthy. And then, versus if someone's not sick, they have all these different wishes. I wish it was this. But if you're ill, you're not feeling well, what have you? You have one wish you just want to be healthy. So without health, you don't have anything. So without health, you don't have anything. You can't, you're not.
Speaker 2:It's going to affect everything about you from a functioning human being standpoint physically, emotionally, spiritually, etc. Gone from a W-2 route to a solopreneur route, making sure, always, carving out time in the day to make sure that you are taking care of yourself physically and getting some sort of workout in. It's going to put you in a better state of mind Again. It's going to keep you healthier. It's going to give you more energy. You're going to be more focused. You're going to be more productive. It's going to give you more energy. You're going to be more focused. You're going to be more productive. So that's number one.
Speaker 2:On the health side of things, lower amounts of income to spend on, let's say, food, especially what's happened from the inflationary environment that really exploded two years ago, with food prices going through the roof. Processed foods versus, let's say, organic meats, fish, etc. Fruits, vegetables are normally going to be more cost effective and also have the propensity for folks in lower income, where they may be purchasing those. There was I think the CEO of Kellogg's correct me if I'm wrong, anthony, it was this year talking about eating cereal as part of your diet for dinner.
Speaker 1:Bro, if you want your mind blown and I'm listening to this from the audience too, and this is totally off topic go look up who. Kellogg is not this current CEO, the guy who founded the thing Kellogg Cereals. That's all I'm going to leave it at. Go, look at what he stood for. Go look at things he's done. It will blow your mind. Anyway, that's why I don't trust cereal companies. But yeah, you're right, the push. From cereal you get all your daily vitamins and minerals and it has this, this, this. It's literally just sugar and grains mixed together.
Speaker 2:It's a charade.
Speaker 1:It's totally just sugar and grains mixed together. It's charade. It's totally not good. You can go the egg route right. You can get a dozen eggs for $3.99, $4.99. You eat six of those in one sitting. I did say six, I didn't say one. So you're getting six eggs in one sitting and 36 grams of protein. You're getting a total fast of the day. You protein for your meal cost you 2.50 cents right to three dollars, depending on how you get your eggs. The other app is you can do um oats, not some processed, processed, flavored, whatever plain boring oats, especially steel-cut oats. You talked about a balancing of fiber to carbs. Steel-cut oats are probably the best one for that. They take longer to cook, but whatever that costs you 50 cents.
Speaker 2:Oh sorry, you go Anthony.
Speaker 1:That'll cost you 50 cents to get. You take that. You want something super cost effective to help eating healthy is protein, and I don't mean food, I mean powders, protein powders. You can get a five pound jug of whey protein concentrate for like 60 bucks and and people look at that and go that's expensive. No, you know a long five pounds last year. How many meals that is. You could just take oats, put water, take a scoop of protein, throw it in there, mix it up. You just spent 75 cents to a dollar for that one meal and it's super nutritious, as opposed to buying cereal eating that, which is going to cost you about the same and you're getting a whole bunch of garbage.
Speaker 2:Whey protein is probably the most cost effective way to get your protein period and to that point too, for those listening those listening you're like, oh, that doesn't sound very good, right, I'm somewhere getting that. Thinking Ways that you can that. I'll be curious to what your thoughts are doing, Anthony, if you want to add some flavor to it, add some cinnamon, if you like cinnamon to it. Or if you want to add that I've done myself. I know I had some sugar in it, but there's a lot of health components too. If you're getting a good quality honey in there, from a national sweetener perspective, Again, Anthony, I'll be curious to see if I see that nod of that.
Speaker 1:I'll just tell you this is my oatmeal. Already I take five servings. I cook that with almond milk, Then I add I can't have whey protein because it's my GI issue, so I have egg white protein. Then I throw cinnamon in there, then I throw honey in there and then I'll throw either frozen fruit when I microwave it so it's the best by the end or do peanut butter and or peanut butter. Mix that all together you got every macro nutrient you can think of inside of that.
Speaker 2:It's going to keep you full for like eight hours and with the proteins, too, that you're talking right right the way. I'm similar, so I used to use whey myself and I kind of transitioned over to. I eat meats and fishes, but for my, for protein of my end, anthony, I go to plant-based protein. I use pea protein a lot and a rice protein through a company called Naked Nutrition. This isn't any. I'm not being paid to say hey, naked Nutrition, I'm a big fan of them just because it's clean and similar with Anthony's talking about. If you're going to get a whey protein some of the whey proteins out there you're going to find all sorts of different. I feel like I can say this on the podcast all this different crap in them. You want to get a clean protein, no matter what type you're getting. If you're getting a plant-based and he's talking about egg whites you're getting away. Make sure that it's just ingredients that you can pronounce and that it's not filled with all this other junk.
Speaker 1:My egg white protein. The ingredients say egg white powder. Yeah, there it is. Smells like shit, because you can imagine what dried egg smells like, but it's clean. So, whatever, that's my point.
Speaker 1:There's ways to be cost-effective. There's cheaper than going to McDonald's, it's cheaper than anything you can think of and still be healthy. And then there's a flip side to this, and this is something I have talked about before. It's pricing associated with health, and what I mean by that is personal training is a huge case in point on this. People are afraid to sign up for personal training because it's expensive, right, it's 10%, 15% of what they make annually, if you're only making that $30,000 to $50,000 a year range. So it's pricey and it hurts, right? That's the point. And why is that the point?
Speaker 1:Anthony, you know that's kind of rude to say that. No, it's not rude to say that. You know that's kind of rude to say that. No, it's not rude to say that. You know why? Because if it hurts, you're going to pay attention.
Speaker 1:How many people listening to the show or friends that you know have Planet Fitness memberships Ten dollars a month? Great, Out of those people that you know that have that, how many of them go? How many of them go consistently? How many of them are doing the right thing and and making their time effective when they go? One out of every thousand, let's say that have that membership, that are doing everything the right way. You can save your time by having a trainer teach you everything you need to know, get in and out on the right plan. You can get all the think work out right because we're taking care of everything for you that way, If it hurts financially, you're going to show up.
Speaker 1:That's the one thing I can't do. I'm not going to your house, Rob, grabbing you, throwing you in a car and driving you to the jail. I'm not doing that. I don't want to go to jail. So I'm relying on you to show up as a client.
Speaker 1:If you make too much money and you sign up for a mom-and-pop personal training company, you're not going to go because the money doesn't hurt. It's the same thing as Planet Fitness. So this is why and for those listening celebrity trainers those that work with celebrities charge anywhere between $400 and $500 an hour, whereas a typical trainer is around the $100 mark. So they're between four and five times more. Not because they're better, trust me, they're the same. Maybe some are better, maybe some are even worse. Like this is same playing field.
Speaker 1:The difference is it needs to hurt to the person buying it. That's wealthy enough. If I have 10 million dollars in net worth, I need to be paying a trainer $500 an hour, three days a week. That's $1,500 weekly. I'm spending $6,000 a month that I'm going to feel. I'm going to make sure I show up.
Speaker 1:So when you're looking for programs, don't get caught up on the price in the sense that this is going to hurt financially. That's what you want. You want it to sting a little bit. Obviously, you don't want to make yourself go broke. There's caveats to everything, but you need that wiggle room so someone can keep you accountable, because what you're doing and how you're prolonging your life, you're going to end up costing more money when it comes down the line to the hospital and your hospital bill. The doctor walking in getting medication, whatever the case may be, hospitals can, on average, cost between $10,000 and $100,000 a night, depending on how many doctors walk in and say hi. So think about what would you rather spend for On the flip side of that, if that doesn't get you the word, oh, my God, I'm having a total mind fart.
Speaker 1:Hold on, If I see what this happens, I'm going to explain it and the word will. Oh, my God, I'm having a total mind fart. Oh, if I see what this happens today, I'm going to explain it and the word will come to me. I know Opportunity costs. I knew it would come eventually. The opportunity cost of going to the hospital. For those who don't know what opportunity cost means, it basically means if you lost opportunities to do something and that cost you. Good example for Rob and I Rob, you go away on vacation.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 2:You ask where the next spot is. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1:I'm just in general. You go away. Oh yeah, of course. Yes, right, when you go away, are you working?
Speaker 2:I will be just not as much as normal.
Speaker 1:So, regardless, if you need to work half right, you're taking the loss of the opportunities you could have gained by not going on that vacation. So you can say, if you work 20 hours that week as opposed to 40, whatever you make typically in 20 hours as a solopreneur, that is how much money that vacation costs you, on top of the cost of vacation and opportunity costs. So if you get sick and rob ends up in the hospital with type 2 diabetes instead that you're going to and gets an infection, the opportunity cost of being in the hospital you lost three, four, five days. Maybe you need leg amputated.
Speaker 1:I Now you can't go back to work Now. You just lost a lifetime of work because you refused to spend a little extra money up front to keep yourself accountable, to show up and to do something to change your life. So you didn't end up there. So all those bills plus the loss of opportunity, plus the loss of life a quarter of life you're going to have what really? What really hurts more and I'm sorry I went on a complete rant there, but I want to get your perspective on that huge rant in your realm and how it relates.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that was good. I like that story. So, as far as how it relates for me, on the like, what do you?
Speaker 1:see on the financial side. So do you see people that are in similar boats, that lose opportunities, don't take care of their health, even like ceos that work seven days a week, right, and they just don't take care of their health. They end up burning up, getting sick and losing everything because the business is relying, reliant on them.
Speaker 2:What I see specifically Anthony in my world is. And then, for those listening or sharing with Anthony, going from the W-2 to the solopreneur world, I founded a real estate company two and some odd years ago called North Score Capital. What we do is we really focus on helping medical professionals really defeat burnout and to build their wealth or retire on their terms through passive real estate investing so they can experience all the benefits of owning real estate without the hassle of being a landlord. And what I see is, and what Anthony's alluding to is, on the financial side, they're work, work, work, work, work. There's no time or anything being spent committed on financial education and getting the investment side of things in order.
Speaker 2:So what you, anthony, used the expression or not expression, but gave an example of losing a leg right, you can't work anymore. That could be somewhere, maybe in a physician, where the probability of going on some sort of long-term disability for physicians is above 20%. It's not a marginal number. So sure, can you get insurance, yes, but can that compensate for your current lifestyle that you're living? Or if you're trying to leave a legacy for your family and to get you set up for retirement?
Speaker 2:So that's really where my job comes into play is to help educate and provide specific real estate investment opportunities for those, to help them get their financials health in order. Not just, obviously, the physical health, but we want to make sure the financial health is being taken care of as well, because similar if you don't let your financial health, you let that slide and go by the wayside, you're going to be in trouble. It's similar if you don't get your financial health and your financial situation order because if not, like Anthony gave the example you're going to have huge spikes in cortisol stress hormone that can wreak havoc inside your body and if that's affecting you let's say you have a family or loved ones that's going to all trickle down. So I want to I help my clients with that piece of it as well.
Speaker 1:On the financial health component of it and you can stress opportunity cost in there, right, because if you had a passive investment meaning something that nothing's truly passive but in the sense that you're not working 40 hours a week on it and rob goes away on vacation, at least that is still making around money while he's on vacation and it's less of an opportunity cost to him because that's a passive side of it. And they've doubled it now.
Speaker 2:It's the whole avenue of you're having. You're not working for your money. Let your money work for you. Exactly, it's that whole piece and from the passive nature of what we do, it's as close to passive as it can be, with the sense of you don't deal with what I call the four T's trash, tenants, termites and toilets. You're not a landlord, you just get to experience what ownership of real estate looks like, but in a truly hands-off manner. So, like what Anthony was saying, so you can have your money, your investment, work for you versus you working for your money.
Speaker 1:And, just out of curiosity personally, your own personal health journey.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You said you started this company two years ago, right? So how was your lifestyle that impacted personally, from company to starting doing working for somebody, working on your own have you seen a difference?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So from a lifestyle perspective, I can answer that a couple of different ways. One from a physical perspective I carve out time in making sure that I'm getting physical activity in, and it's predominantly through weight training. So I have a place where I work out at my place where I have weights, a foldable bench, bands, pull-up bar. It's got the full gambit to get a good workout in. And incorporating weights because I've heard you share this too, anthony the importance of building muscle for your body and utilizing weight training versus just running, because muscle burns will burn more calories at rest.
Speaker 1:You know what we call that. Do you remember the name I said?
Speaker 2:Oh boy, sorry, I need a hint on that one Metabolic weight.
Speaker 1:It's avoiding the cardio trap. I call it the cardio trap.
Speaker 2:Ah yes, I just say yeah, okay, yeah, just walking the got to build muscle. So I make sure, even since I've gone on this journey, to carve out time, because going the solopreneur route and starting a business, no one's telling you what to do. You don't have to get in at a certain time every day and you leave at a certain time. You are dictating your day, your schedule. So you need to make sure that you are organized and creating and putting in time blocks that are going to allow you to get everything you need to get done, including physical activity. Now, on the mental side of thing, it's going from the W2 world to the entrepreneur journey is it really is something else. For those out there that have maybe been thinking about going on this journey and getting and starting your own business, we'll share this at the end. And starting your own business I'll share this at the end.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to chat with you about my experience, because it's very empowering when you're working for yourself versus you're working for quote unquote the man or you're working for the woman at a respective employer. So, from a mentality perspective, you might even be working a lot, but you're loving what you're doing. If you might even be working a lot, but you're loving what you're doing. You're not really having those components of burnout. And the way I define burnout is really three buckets.
Speaker 2:It's one, it's physical, mental, emotional exhaustion. It's two you have lost a sense of purpose for what you're doing at your job, which happens to a lot of people, that happened to me previously and the other being a lack of competence. You don't feel that you're good at what you're doing. Then you have all the subcategories, the sub symptoms falling in underneath those three, and the opposite of that is what I call the ABCs A for autonomy having professional and personal autonomy. B belonging you are more proud of the name in the front of the jersey versus the back. And then C competence standpoint. You know you feel that you are good at what you do and that you can help people. So doing all that and getting into this world has been awesome. It really has. So again, I'm more than happy to chat with anyone that's been on the fence, because it was scary to start. It's a big leap, but once you do it, it's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just the last point. I've noticed a lot with entrepreneurs, and I'm glad you're not one of them. They put their business before their health and then they end up getting sick, burning out, having to close the company because they never took care of their own personal health. Because obviously, as you know and I know, we don't get health insurance. So we either pay a shit ton of money for it or we wait and take a risk of seeing what happens and those that don't prioritize their health. We can see what happens. Risk of seeing what happens and those that don't prioritize their health, and we can see what happens.
Speaker 1:Like I said, a night at a hospital without talking to a doctor or a nurse is ten thousand dollars without the second. One walks in. They bill you. Nice, go check your last hospital if you're ever there overnight. Literally, a doctor can walk in. If they step in the room and utter hi and answer, nothing else, they're charging you. So think about that. But, rob, I want to ask you the final questions I ask everybody, the first one being if you could summarize this episode in one or two sentences. What would be your take-home message?
Speaker 2:Yeah, take-home message for those listening out there is number one if you're battling any sort of health issues, explore going the Eastern Medicine route and explore working with a naturopathic doctor. They look to seek and treat and go after the cure versus treating the symptom. That's one. And go after the cure versus treating the symptom that's one. The other one being for those that have been or thinking about they're wanting to go on an entrepreneur journey. I'm happy to chat. We discussed my journey and I'm happy to have a conversation with you to see my experience, if it would be helpful for you to make that leap. So I'd say those are the two takeaways for folks listening.
Speaker 1:Love it. And then second question how can people find you and get a hold of you if they want to learn more?
Speaker 2:Yeah, two ways. One way is through my company's website, northsquarecapitalcom Again, northsquarecapitalcom one word it sounds exactly and it's spelled exactly how it sounds and the other being through my link profile. So it's similar to Linktree. Link profile is L-I-N-Q. Just Google my name Link profile. Rob Natale will be in the show notes and that's going to have everything about me. It's going to have my social media. It's going to have a calendar me. It's going to have my social media. It's going to have a Calendly. If you want to have a discussion, it's going to have my business how I'm helping my folks really obtain financial freedom and independence podcast episodes, everything you want to know about me. You're going to find me on there.
Speaker 1:I love it, robert. Thank you for sharing that. Rob, thank you for coming on. Thank you, guys, for listening to this week's episode of Health to Fitness Redefined. Don't forget hit that subscribe button. Join us next week as we turn deeper into this ever-changing field and remember medicine is medicine Until next time, thank you, outro Music.
