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Rise Fitness Podcast
Anchoring Life with Fitness: Amber Yoder's Journey Through Motherhood, Adventure, and Mental Wellness
Have you ever wondered what it truly means to weave fitness into the very fabric of your life? Amber Yoder, a gym aficionado with a zest for adventure, opens up about how her dynamic life path, from sailboat living to embracing the whirlwind of motherhood with twins, led her to anchor her days around exercise. Our conversation is a deep dive into the world where fitness intersects with daily living, parenting, and the enduring quest for mental equilibrium.
With Amber's story as our backdrop, we reconsider the meaning of fitness goals. It's not just about shedding pounds or sculpting muscles; it's about finding that compelling 'why' that fuels a lasting commitment. This episode isn't just a peek into Amber's love for sports—it's a testament to how an authentic passion can redefine our approach to exercise, highlighting the importance of maintaining joy and functionality in our fitness routines as we mature and evolve through life's stages.
Finally, we tackle the often-unspoken synergy between physical vigor and mental wellness, underscoring how movement can be a powerful antidote to stress and a catalyst for cognitive clarity. Listen as we share insights on how maintaining an active lifestyle is crucial, not just for the body, but for the mind, offering a fresh perspective on the energizing power of exercise, even when life throws curveballs, like a global pandemic. This episode promises to shift paradigms, presenting fitness as a vital component of a fulfilled life at any age.
Welcome to the Rise Fitness Podcast, where we explore the transformative power of health and fitness. Join us on a journey to discover the countless benefits of making fitness part of your daily routine. It's not just about breaking a sweat or losing weight. It's about unlocking your vitality and power for life. And hey, if you're watching on YouTube, please like and subscribe to our channel. Hey, everyone, and welcome back to the Rise Fitness Podcast. I'm Jillian and today joining me we have a special guest, amber Yoder who is one of our awesome members at our gym here in Sarasota.
Speaker 1:So thank you, Amber, for being with us today. I've been bugging you about doing this podcast interview for like how long Months I would say, yeah, being with us today. I've been bugging you about doing this podcast interview for like how long Months?
Speaker 2:I would say yeah, Months probably.
Speaker 1:I think, since we like, built this space.
Speaker 2:Since it became like really really legit.
Speaker 1:We were like the podcast is resurrected and you're going to be on it. It's been a few months, so I'm really glad we were able to make it happen today, and the reason I wanted Amber to come talk to us is so that we can just get a little glimpse into her life, about how fitness fits into your life, why you do it, where you came from, why you got started with it, and we're just going to talk about a lot of things that I hope really help open up people's perspective on what training is for. So I'm really glad you're here. Thank you for having me. So, amber, can you tell us first just a little bit about you, like your family, your kids, all that, so our audience knows who you are?
Speaker 2:Yeah, my name is Amber and I've been living in Sarasota for a while now. But yeah, me and my husband were married and we're kind of those. We're the couple that everybody is like, wow, you guys are the cool couple and it's not because You're definitely the cool couple, we're definitely not, though.
Speaker 2:We have this idea that, like I don't know, we just feel like anybody can do what we're doing. I think the biggest thing is that me and my husband are really active. I would say I would never consider myself as like a super athletic athletic person, but I we do enjoy just being outside, we enjoy playing and just sports and but I have a bunch of kids now and so could you like specify that?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, so so what?
Speaker 2:happened was you know, me and my husband were like two was great. We had our two girls and we had a great time having the two girls we were doing. We were traveling a lot, we lived on a sailboat for a bit, so cool?
Speaker 1:yeah, we were. You are a cool couple, we tried.
Speaker 2:We were like, oh, we saw some youtube videos. We're like we could do that and we did it. And then, how old were your girls at the time when we were living on the boat? We had eli she was three, and we had sage she was one.
Speaker 1:So we had little babies on the boat.
Speaker 2:And then we decided to move to Mexico me and my husband surf, so we lived in Mexico for a year, and during that time we had a surprise pregnancy, and it was twin boys.
Speaker 1:We got to even it out, right.
Speaker 2:And so now people think that we're like the Octum, like I'm the Octum mom, like I like having a lot of kids, but I don't like having a lot of kids, but I have a lot of kids.
Speaker 1:You have a lot of kids.
Speaker 2:Well, you do it very well. I mean, I don't think you're, I think if you don't do it well, you get arrested. I think your goal is just to do it well as best as you can.
Speaker 1:So yeah, now we're the family that has a bunch of kids now and we homeschool and yeah, that's about our family, awesome. So I mean, like you said a lot there. So you lived on a boat, you lived in Mexico, you surf Four kids. Now you're homeschooling them. Are you schooling all of them at this point, or just the older ones? Just the older ones?
Speaker 2:The boys are still four, so they're not at school age. They're not at school age, they're not at school age, and that I mean, homeschooling for a four-year-old is just like go outside and play, you know. But my eight-year-old, I homeschool her, and have a 10-year-old and I homeschool her too, and now it's getting kind of like. The schoolwork is not easy, so I'm learning long division again.
Speaker 1:Ooh that's rough it is rough. Yeah, that's rough. So, Amber, you came to us, I want to say about two years ago, right, Finally, I'm at the two-year mark.
Speaker 2:Two-year mark I always was like it's been a year. And then you're like no, it's been like three months.
Speaker 1:This actually happened. There was a day Amber came in. She was like celebrating how long she'd been at the gym. She was like I think it's been a year and I was like you joined three months ago. I was like what it was so awesome because it was like so ingrained already in who you were, but like two year mark it's awesome. Can you talk a little bit about why you started?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What brought you in in the first place?
Speaker 2:So at the time I had. So basically I had a surprise pregnancy. I had my twin boys, and when I was pregnant with them, all of my pregnancies I've always been a very active pregnant person um, that's kind of like I get really sick. So for me, if I found that moving helps me stay healthy, and so it would keep the nausea down. However, with the boys I became bed rest with them and I got my heart was pumping really weirdly and so I would be sitting down and all of a sudden my heart rate would go to like a 190.
Speaker 1:It was like I was super crazy.
Speaker 2:So they like had all these tests on me and basically they were like, yeah, the boys are just pulling your heart too much. So they told me that I just need to be bed rest. So, um, once the I think I was like five months pregnant with the boys.
Speaker 2:I was stuck to being bed rest and I had I was like five months pregnant with the boys I was stuck to being bedrest and I had never experienced like anybody that is forced to stay in their bed for extensive periods of time. My heart just breaks for them because it's so hard on your body, especially if you're used to being super active. So once that happened, I just felt like I never recuperated. And then I started pulling my back out after I had the boys. I mean, I picked up the boys one day, I picked up one of the kids and all of a sudden my back was just out, and then I noticed that it was kind of happening more and more regularly.
Speaker 2:And so for me as a mom, if you've ever pulled your back out, you can't pick up your kids, and so that was huge, like not being able to pick up my own children. And I just had this thought like if I don't figure out how to keep myself healthy, then I'm not going to be in the long term game with my kids, like hiking, going on. You know, like I always wanted, I always prized myself being the mom that can hang, you know, and I want to be the mom when we go on family vacations that walks, and like I never want to be the mom that sits out because they don't feel like they, they feel like their body can't do it Right. And you see, moms do that. Yeah, my mom was one of those moms gym um, after I pulled my back out and I was like doing a couple weight, I was surfing and I recognized that like I needed more functional fitness, because all the functional fitness exercises were some of the physical therapy, um skills that I was supposed to be doing yeah anyways.
Speaker 2:And then I was like well, I can work out and get some physical therapy at the same time. And ever since I I haven't pulled my back out since I've been at the gym.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, yeah. So I think from the pregnancy and the bed rest you would just lost so much core strength. You would atrophied probably that your body was just like wait, we don't know how to move properly anymore.
Speaker 2:And I had glute amnesia. I learned that I had glute amnesia. That was a huge one, and I'm like my glutes don't work. What are you?
Speaker 1:talking about Like we're going to wake them up. Literally.
Speaker 2:And then, like when I read about glute amnesia, I was like most people who experience bedrest have glute amnesia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's really common also for people who have a desk job, so like they're in this flexed position all day where their hip flexors are shortened and then their glutes are elongated and they just kind of stop working. So yeah, if people haven't heard of what gluteal amnesia is, it's when your glute muscles kind of just stop firing, like the signal in your nervous system from your brain to your butt muscles just doesn't like they don't engage anymore. But that can be reversed with proper exercises that target the muscles and wake them back up. So yeah, no diagnosis should ever like be a death sentence or a label on someone. We're like oh well, your glutes just don't work. Well, maybe they don't work now we can fix that. But so you do a lot of things. I want to shift gears a little bit. So when was it? Last summer you were selected for a surfing tournament.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do you?
Speaker 1:what do you even call it? It was a contest.
Speaker 2:So my my friend Gigi she kind of put me on blast because she did this contest and she was telling me about it. And it's, it's called a great day in the Stoke and it's an all black surf competition. And it's, um, it's called a great day in the Stoke and it's an all black surf competition. Um, and it's just, like people, anybody can go any different colors, Like it's just, we just want to show, get a, give awareness to people to just get in the water.
Speaker 2:So it's a fun day where we do surf lessons, surf competitions. We have a long board division, a short board division, um, and it's just a good time for people from all over the world to kind of just come and have a great day in the Stoke like a great day in Waves. And word on the street was that there is an East Coast surfer myself who loves to surf a shortboard or a longboard or anything in that matter, and they invited me to participate and so, as a mom of four, you know when you get the opportunity where somebody's gonna fly you across the country to serve in california, you say yes, because you're the cool mom, because I'm the cool man.
Speaker 1:I just wanted a break from my kids too, so they flew you.
Speaker 2:Your family stayed back home. Yeah, my husband came with me, but yeah, the kids were with Nana. Thank you, nana. And I got to serve some and we got swell that time too, which was really cool. And California's I mean, it's the Pacific, so you just get thumpier swell like really good swell. So it was really fun and it was a really cool competition and I didn't expect to do very good only because I just am like I'm the only mom surfing in this competition and definitely the oldest contestant in the competition too. But then I made it to the finals and I got third all around Amazing. So I'm pretty proud of myself. I love it.
Speaker 1:I think that's so awesome. You went and you're like, oh, I'm just going to represent Florida, like just try to catch a wave, like I think I was like, and plus because I'm even everybody says that like, nobody's like Florida, there's no surf in Florida, there's no great surfers in Florida.
Speaker 2:And like now, we're just at the point where, like Kelly Slater, hello. Just to the point where, like kelly slater, hello caroline marks like and then to be like. But it was kind of funny though, because nobody was really thinking that we could surf and that even the guys that I was like talking, like getting my wetsuit on, they're like what? You're from florida, like I didn't even know there's like waves exactly, and I'm like, yes, there's waves, they're just like baby, baby waves, and we just get really frothy when there's good surf.
Speaker 1:Right or when there's a hurricane right. Yes, we do love hurricanes cold fronts, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Awesome. So the reason I wanted to bring this up is that I think, from my perspective as a gym owner and lots of different types of people come all the time with different reasons about why they're working out but I think the most common goal or reason why I see is because people come in and they say I want to lose weight or I want to get in better shape, I want to look good and I feel like, while that's never a bad thing, and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1:I think you are really unique, amber, because when you came into the gym, never once were you like the reason I'm here is because I just had twins and I need to lose weight or anything like that. It was. I want to restore my core strength, or I want to improve my balance and stability and control for surfing, or I want to have an active life with my kids. So I want to talk a little bit about about this whole concept of like your why. Because I think what I see as a fitness professional is people come in and they don't really have a why they don't. They don't know why they are training and they think that maybe it's because they're trying to lose weight or get in shape, and the truth is that's just not sticky enough to keep you in it for the long term. And, like my perspective, we should be training because we're humans right, because it's about our well-being. It's about, when we're 80 years old, being able to stand up without assistance and being able to move around and stay independent. Of course, there's physique benefits that are never bad, but so what I see happening is if someone thinks like their reason for working out is to lose weight or to be thinner or whatever it is, one of two things is going to happen. One is that they may actually achieve that quote unquote goal, but then what? Yeah, right. Then what do you do? Do you stop working out at that point?
Speaker 1:Or is it just like this continuous grind where you're trying to maintain, I don't know, and it's so superficial that the motivation doesn't go deep enough to hold people in it, and that's when we see people quit or fall off or go back to old habits. That's one side. The other side is they never actually get it, like they never achieve that goal. And it's because if we're, if we're trying to use an exercise class or a workout, training in general to lose weight, like it's a losing battle because there are so many issues involved it's our nutrition, it's our sleep, like that's a different podcast, right.
Speaker 1:But if we're just trying to like use our exercise, it kind of never happens. And then we fall into this like cycle of discouragement and you can only continue on for so long, right, of not seeing the result you want before you just completely throw in the towel. And my whole point in this is that I want people to find a reason that's deeper than their physique, like you can achieve a great physique, but while you're doing it, it needs to be for something that's going to like really have sticking power. So you hold on to it. So, before our mics went hot, you were telling me about, like your past, past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like and let's, let's talk about that and like physique and your changes now and your reason why now, and like that whole path. So yeah, I feel there.
Speaker 2:I think that when I I would just say when I was a kid and if you see all my kids you can see they look like athletes, they are jacked. My eight-year-old has a six-pack I was that kid too where I remember being so little and every time I went swimming everybody was like you need to put that girl in gymnastics, you need to put that girl in gymnastics. Everybody was like you need to put that girl in gymnastics, you need to put that girl in gymnastics. I mean, I was at the skating rink one time and this collegiate ice figure skater person was like, gave my dad a card and was like whatever you do, she'll be an Olympian. She just has the body, she's so coordinated. And when I was a kid, of course my parents heard the call and they heeded the advice and so they put me in sports and I just connected to sports. I wasn't a very great student, that's for sure, like I basically just giggled and laughed and charmed my way through school. But I'm telling you, on field day I cleaned up house.
Speaker 1:What sports did you play when you were little? So when I was younger.
Speaker 2:I was a gymnast first and then I ended up quitting gymnastics when I was in sixth grade and then I tried team sports and I did softball. And of course I did softball and became an all-star. First year I did volleyball, all-star, everything I did. And then I did track lettered. It just kept going, I did, and then I did track lettered. You know, like it just kept going. I did pole vaulting, I did, and then I ended up doing diving and I realized when I was doing team sports that I'm really competitive. Like play a board game with me, like I will find a way to cheat, like I am really competitive.
Speaker 2:And I have to like, yeah, literally I have to like, tell myself like it's not about the wind, but it is.
Speaker 1:You don't let your kids win when you play games with them, right? Oh, no, no, no, it's for character, totally. They have to earn it.
Speaker 2:Character building is so important. But I really connected to diving because I found that it was an individual sport. It was a lot of flipping Right and I also like to flip and then I ended up just putting all of my attention into it. I had a really good coach and I thrived in it. I ended up diving internationally for a little bit. I got a full ride at University of North Florida.
Speaker 1:Division One oh my gosh, that's awesome yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I did the college thing for two years before I met my husband. I did the whole thing and like went to conference, like yeah, got first in my first conference and second in my second conference.
Speaker 1:That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was like pretty crazy. It was like I don't know, I just think. Think that, like I love sports and I had the body you know for it too, and I had the and I picked the right sport. I think that's the thing with sports too you gotta like, you can't just love the sport, you gotta have the right body and the right body for that, for that sport, and I I picked a good sport for myself yeah and so, yeah, I think there's a lot of similarities between diving and gymnastics when you look at the mechanics of it.
Speaker 1:I've seen that a lot, a lot of girls who start in gymnastics when they're young transition into diving in middle school or high school.
Speaker 2:It's easier on the body too. It's way easier on the body. Gymnastics is hard on the body.
Speaker 1:Totally so you had, like this D1 collegiate experience athlete figure. Then let's talk about, like, as you've become a mom and gotten back into fitness, like what's your perspective?
Speaker 2:Oh man.
Speaker 2:I would just say this is the thing I remember being like at the peak of my game, like training two days and just my I would get stopped all the time if I was at the gym, being like what do you do to do your abs? Like, how do you get your abs that way? Or, and then I had people just like stopping me at the pool and be like you have the best body I've ever seen. And if I would have known what I know now, I would have been so much nicer to her, I would have treated her so much kinder and I just I just didn't know that I was a teenager, I didn't know that my body was going to change. And when I had my first kid it didn't change as much. And then I had my second kid and it did change. But when I had those twins, that's when it really changed.
Speaker 2:And also I had my twins and I'm inching towards 40 too, which is another thing. Like you can have great, but you can. You can get through, if you can get through the whole birthing a kid and still have a good body. I'm telling you, as you inch towards 40, gravity takes hold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people ask me about that all the time, like, do you find that? Um, I hate the phrase, but I'll use it bounce back, right, do you bounce back faster from your first versus your second? And I'm like, okay, first of all, you just melt when you had your first.
Speaker 1:you were younger, obviously because it was your first. I'm like be kind to yourself, because you're not the same biologically as you were five, maybe seven years ago, depending on the age gap. And people expect often like what happened the first time will happen the second, third, fourth time, and that's just not always the case.
Speaker 2:When you're an athlete to how you treat your body is so different than how you treat your body If you're not used to being an athlete. One thing that people would always tell me was like with my first, specifically with my first wow, you bounced back and it was a year, but I was doing like at that time, I was surfing and doing capoeira at that time, which is like a Brazilian martial arts, and so I was used to like flipping and surfing and like getting barreled and these like really being hard on my body and I'm looking at them like, no, my body is not, I am slow, I am fatigued. These reflex muscles that could just do whatever they wanted to on a dime are really challenged right now, and so for anybody that is doing any sort of athleticism that depends on their body to move quickly, it took I would say it took me about two to three years. It was like one year to get the weight off and the second and third year to get that quickness again.
Speaker 1:Right For your muscles to respond the way that they used to before.
Speaker 2:And then you went and had another baby, and then I had another baby and then by then your body is just like why, why are we forcing her so much to get back? And so then there's a little bit of it where your body I would say my body recognized to just do things differently, you know. So, instead of surfing quicker, I surf more efficiently.
Speaker 1:Oh, talk about that. What does that mean? Well, I've like only dabbled in surfing. I like to pretend that I surf but I don't. But I think it's so cool, Like I've been been able to get the board to catch the wave and then stand up for maybe a second, but the wave is so small that it's over at that point. So it's a cool feeling. But explain what that means. The little things.
Speaker 2:I know that my pop-up is slower. It's still slower than it was when I was 20. Because I'm definitely bigger and the reality is just like I'm almost 40. You know, I'm double in age. So there's little things that you just learn to do where you like. Learn to engage certain rail in order to like get yourself activated to go a certain direction quicker, you know, and then you learn to highline. So like, yeah, my pop-up is a little bit slower, but I'm like way more nimble on my feet and I've also picked up other things to keep that nimble, like nimbility.
Speaker 2:I guess nimbleness, nimbleness, I don't know, that's a good word, I don't know but yeah, like I picked up surfing, uh, skateboarding to help me be a little bit quicker on my feet, so when I before I used to not be able to move my feet around my board as much, people don't realize that even when you shortboard you still move your feet. You don't really realize it. But I feel like I picked up skateboarding and now I found my feet way better. I'm just more nimble.
Speaker 1:That's so cool Things that we're not even aware of if we're not doing the sport. Okay, so like your ability to manipulate where you are on the board exactly how the board responds to the water. So that's what you would call it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh cool fin engagement, rail engagement and just like recognizing, like the physics of the sport, if you don't know if you don't know the physics and you don't know how to get speed, and surfing is one of those sports where you you're trying to get speed. It's not like snowboarding where, like you, just go down the mountain and you're trying to control the speed. This is like it's.
Speaker 1:You have to figure out how to get more speed and is that so that you can stay ahead of the wave?
Speaker 2:yeah, so that you can be in the right place in the right place on the wave, very cool yeah, it's fine, it's fine it's very cool.
Speaker 1:so, yeah, it's fine. It's fine, it's very cool. So, um, you started training a couple of years ago and you found then that you were able to like get back into your sport. Yeah, yeah, I definitely think that you've been out of surfing for some time at when you had the boys.
Speaker 2:I always surfed but I guess I recognize that I got to an age that I didn't realize that I had to do kind of the foundation work. And I remember when you go to the gym you see all the old guys at the Y. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I do know what you're saying.
Speaker 2:They play their racquetball, but then they also sit on their rolling machine and they do these stationary exercises. And you're, like man, like that's so lame, like I would never go to the. I hate the gym. Like I hate the gym with a passion which blows my mind, because it's like your job is like to be there all the time. And you asked me, like what, my why is my why has never been to be skinny? Because, like I can't just go to the gym. I love to eat way too much. Like I love, like I am not biased to food. I love all types of food.
Speaker 1:Good food, healthy food and the junk food, and junk food too, I love it all.
Speaker 2:But if it's like, if my goal is to be skinny, like going to the gym and then like trying to be on some special diet, is I would. I would some special diet. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:Well, and I think also coming from your background as a collegiate athlete, you know what is required in order to have a certain look, and you see people talk about wanting this look and I had that. They don't know what the sacrifice is.
Speaker 2:Even if, like, just go watch podcasts, like watch Alana Blanchard, like he's like a famous surfer, she's had two kids. Look at Bethany Hamilton, even her they train still four to five hours a day and yeah, that's why they have those bodies. But I don't have four to five hours a day to train. I have an hour, right.
Speaker 1:On some days, on some days, on some days, and some days it's 30 minutes, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I have that and I can give my body that, but I don't have four hours to have that kind of body and to sit. And so, for me, I look at this idea of going to the gym. I don't even like going to the gym. So, for me, I look at it and I'm like I don't even like going to the gym. So, for me, I look at it and I'm like I need to be doing the things that I love, and I love surfing, I love skateboarding, I love going on hikes with my family, I love being outside. I really do Like I wouldn't call myself a nature person, but I love going on a vacation and being like let's go on a hike up a mountain and it's just like let's do a two mile, let's do a two mile hike. You know, I love that. I can just do that whenever.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And that's my why, because there was a season where I wasn't going to the gym and doing just basic functional fitness, and then I wasn't able to do those things. I wasn't able to surf, I wasn't able to go on hikes with my kids, I wasn't able to skateboard. And so for me, my why is I'm at the age now where I'm entering I'm inching closer to 50 than further away and so with that, my body needs certain things, like I have to eat a certain way now and I also have to work out a certain way in order for me to do the things that bring me joy.
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think that's like so important, because if you don't get to do those things, if you don't get to surf, skate, hike, play actively with your kids, then it's like a piece of you is dormant yeah mama's not happy. Mama's not happy, mama's not happy, and then nobody happy.
Speaker 2:Nobody happy, my husband ain't getting nothing for good, Like nothing's happening tonight, Like he even knows that about me, Like that brings me joy, yeah.
Speaker 1:And so, rather than using your gym time as a time to chisel a physique, you're using it as an investment into your ability to do the things you love.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that's amazing.
Speaker 2:And I have to be kind to myself too, because there's times where I'm like I should be at the gym three days a week and because I'm used to being at the gym all the time when I was working out. Sometimes I can be kind of hard on myself about like, oh, you should work out every day at the gym and I have to remind myself that you're going to burn yourself out Amber two to three times a week, and then the rest is playtime. It is surfing, skateboarding, running, being outside, hiking, and you'd be surprised that if I surprised myself that I would not call myself a very active person, because I always thought you had to be at the gym all the time to be active.
Speaker 1:No, it's the other way around. It's the other way around. It's the other way around.
Speaker 2:Once you just create a habit of just going a few times, then you become more active Because you're able to do the things that you like to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It just blows my mind.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's true. It's funny. When I hear you say I hate the gym like it, my heart goes like oh, because.
Speaker 2:I always feel bad because I'm like you guys love it and I'm like we love you too, but like.
Speaker 1:So for me, like my mission is to help people fall in love with fitness, because I know how hard it is, I know how uncomfortable it is, I know how much people loathe it and I'm like, but I love it and I'm like if I could help them find thatathe it and I'm like, but I love it and I'm like if I could help them find that love, then it helps them stick around longer. But then maybe that's for people that don't have an activity that they love. And that's what I think is so great and so unique about you is that I know I don't have to make you fall in love with fitness, because you already love surfing and skating and hiking, and playing and flipping, you know, and doing all these things and that and that, for you, training is just like your foundation.
Speaker 2:It's just your investment.
Speaker 1:It's my foundation, it's just your investment so that you can keep doing those things that you love. So whenever you show up, I'm like, yes, Amber, I'm so glad you're here. I know Cause when.
Speaker 2:I do come. I'm usually like I don't want to be here.
Speaker 1:you know, and I'm like you're going to be so happy when we get to the end.
Speaker 2:You're going to feel so great, and when I don't go to the gym I'm not able to like that's when I always start feeling my back. It's so funny, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2:It's so funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I just think that, like your perspective, we were talking about it a couple weeks ago while you were working out. You were like yeah, I just, you know, I got to stay consistent here because when I do, then I can surf, and like I'm skating. And you were saying like I've just been really hard on myself because I haven't made it in as frequently as at other times, but I'm skating every day.
Speaker 2:And I'm like you're skating every day. It was a big aha moment too, because you don't recognize that you can be hard on yourself and then pull back the legs. You're like, actually I went on vacation and I ran three days on my vacation and I've never done that. But it is one of those things when you take care of your body, you continue to take care of your body, even when you don't realize it sometimes, if you make it a habit.
Speaker 1:Because then it's just part of who you are. And for me that's where I am in the gym. Maybe someone doesn't have a sport or an activity, and so then for them, I want fitness, like their time at the gym, to just be part of who they are. Right, for me it's part of who I am Like. If I'm not working out and doing all the different things, I feel like a piece of me is missing. For you, it's your surfing and skating.
Speaker 1:So if someone doesn't have a thing, I'm like I can help you have something you know in the gym, I can help you learn to love it. But anyway, point is like I think it's great that like you have that thing and you had that moment where like, oh, I know what, what I really love, and this just helps support that. Yeah, so like, if you could like sum up your why into like one sentence or one thought, what do you think? What would it be?
Speaker 2:my why. Why I train? I train so that I can play. I train so that I can play honestly.
Speaker 1:I train so that I can play. I think that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. I train so that I can train harder next time.
Speaker 2:I know you love it. You just love it so much.
Speaker 1:I love the pain. No, what I love is the PR. Like for me, I love the PR. I'm like Personal record. My personal record you do love, is the.
Speaker 2:PR Like for me.
Speaker 1:I love the PR. I'm like.
Speaker 2:Personal record.
Speaker 1:My personal record you do love.
Speaker 2:a personal record I do.
Speaker 1:I love personal records, but that's like, that's me. I don't want to impose that on anyone else. I think personal records are good yeah.
Speaker 2:I think they're fun.
Speaker 1:Because I mean, I just I finished my.
Speaker 2:I'm doing a race for my friend, only for my friend. She wanted me to do a race. Tell me about the race it was one of those dumb mud runs. It's not a dumb mud run.
Speaker 1:It's not dumb, it's a great, but this is where I'm like I don't know. You're like it's not my thing. It's not my thing.
Speaker 2:But it's my friend's thing, so I'm going to do it for her. So I've, but it was the PR.
Speaker 1:It was the PR Because it was the longest distance you've ever done. It was the longest distance I had done without stopping. That's awesome, Ooh nice job.
Speaker 2:It felt good, it felt good.
Speaker 1:So what kind of obstacles are they going to put you through?
Speaker 2:I don't know, but that's why I've been doing my chin-ups, all right.
Speaker 1:Because you're going to have to wrap it around your leg you have to wrap it around your foot and then you push with your legs rather than pulling with your arms. So this is just like a tangent. One of our other members went recently it was spring break and she took her kids to a Ninja Warrior place. Another mom of four so props to the moms with the four kids she took her four kids to a Ninja Warrior place over spring break and she was like she's fit, like she trains a lot and she's like I'm not just going to be the mom who sits.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:I'm going to play too, Thank you. And so if you follow us on Instagram, you can go to our page and we actually have a video of her climbing the rope. No way, oh yeah, it's awesome. So she said, and I was like, oh my God, I can't believe you did that. She's like it's actually a lot easier than it looks. She's like it's all legs.
Speaker 2:You just push. I'm going to do this. I'm going to find a rope you got to go train with a rope somewhere. Okay, anyway, so you're going to do the mud run. Doing the mud run? Yeah, mud run is in April, and that's like basically what I have scheduled yeah, how long is it?
Speaker 1:5K.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's 5K.
Speaker 1:Okay With some obstacles, with some obstacles thrown in the mix. I've always thought it's like those mud runs are intriguing, but at the same time, like I don't want to sprain an ankle For me, I don't know if that's just a stupid mental block but. I'm like my my livelihood depends on me being able to keep doing the thing I'm like. I can't afford to injure myself. I also don't really want to get tased or, um, have to dive into ice water.
Speaker 2:I don't want to be weird. I don't really want to get my sneakers wet.
Speaker 1:I know that sounds like a stupid reason. I'm like what shoes would I wear? Because they're all too valuable.
Speaker 2:I kind of feel that way too. I'm like I just bought some $200 running shoes and I got to get them Jokers wet. I'm sorry I have insoles too, because I have my finger patch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like another $50.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:I'm like, can I? You probably could. That's so funny. So yeah, so I've never actually done a mud run. I think they're interesting, but I don't know we could do one together.
Speaker 2:Maybe we could.
Speaker 1:I'll do I mean, if you want to do one, let's do one. Alex is always bugging me that I never train for anything. I just train to train.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure that's pretty accurate it.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure that's pretty accurate. It's pretty accurate. It's like you should do something.
Speaker 2:I'm like I should train for my next workout.
Speaker 1:It's funny. Every now and then I do sign up for like a random 5K. I won't run any more than that. That's my limit. But every now and then I'll sign up for one, like for a cause or whatever, and every time I do I end up getting first in my age group. That's really impressive. I mean, that's just the HIIT training that I do week after week in the gym. And I say that to people like oh, if you do HIIT, you can do a 5K without actually preparing. That is not actual scientific or professional advice.
Speaker 2:It's actually not really good advice. I do HIIT and I'm telling you I definitely had to work up to that three mile run. It's bad.
Speaker 1:It's bad advice. Don't just go run a run a 5k without being prepared for it. But what I mean is like, from a cardiovascular conditioning point of view, you are physically capable, yeah, of doing it, and so I'll. So I'll do it and like I'm a little I'm kind of competitive like you and just a little bit just like, and I always go into being like, oh, like I'm a little.
Speaker 2:I'm kind of competitive like you.
Speaker 1:Just a little bit, just a little bit, and I always go into being like, oh, like, I'm just doing this for fun, I'm just doing this to support this cause, whatever it is. And then all of a sudden, like we're at the starting line, like my alter ego takes over Whoever I signed up with. I'm like bye, bye, I see you later, and then I go, but then I suffer, I pay for it, like for days after. Oh, that lactic acid. Yeah, it's just like, because I'm you know, I'm moving in a different way. So, like my, you know, I don't know if it's actually shin splints, I think it's just muscles.
Speaker 2:It's running is, yeah, it's hard man I feel like my shins and my hips it's been. I feel like it's always like because I don't know if it's actually shin splints, I think it's just muscle soreness.
Speaker 1:It's hard. Running is, yeah, it's hard, man, but I feel like my shins and my hips.
Speaker 2:I feel like it's always my hips, because I don't train that movement pattern.
Speaker 1:I don't train I don't run Only if I'm running to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:Or HIIT. Or running to my workout, some high knees.
Speaker 1:In HI, so funny, so uh, so yeah, so amber trains to play, she trains so she can play.
Speaker 2:I love it well, I think amber you are so cool, you're like the coolest you are the cool mom, you're the cool couple.
Speaker 1:Uh, you do all the things that. I think a lot of us sit back and we're like I want to be like that.
Speaker 2:But anybody can do what I'm doing, though. Anybody can do it though.
Speaker 1:And I just I love your perspective on on training and and just like how real you are about the body that you have right now and that we've like we've talked about it before. Like you want to wear the shorts, wear the shorts, I know I wear the shorts. If you come up with a crop, let's talk about that for a minute, actually, before we finish.
Speaker 2:I would like to say this the whole legging thing. I am over the whole leggings thing. Only because of this, I feel like we're in a generation where we're expecting people to look really, really perfect. And so if you come to Rice Fitness, you'll see me and I'm the thick girl with the shorts on, because I want people to see that legs look different when you hit 30, and that's okay, well, and everyone's legs look different, like every body is different.
Speaker 1:Every body is different and there's not a certain look that you should have in order to be able quote unquote to wear something. And I hear people say this all the time, like, oh, I want to be able to wear this. And I'm like wear it because you want to wear it, not because you look or don't look a certain way, just wear it because it makes you happy, as long as it doesn't cause harm.
Speaker 1:I don't wear crop tops, not because I'm trying to hide something. It's just not my thing. It's a matter of comfort.
Speaker 2:I don't wear shorts, not because I don't want to show something.
Speaker 1:It's because matter of comfort, like I don't wear. I don't. I don't wear shorts, not because I don't want to show something. It's because I don't like the feeling of my skin touching itself. Like I don't even wear shorts to sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wear pants to sleep because I don't like to wear the leggings after doing it. It's hard to pull them jokers up with a wet body like I've even sweating.
Speaker 1:This is I'm just like, especially in the summertime, I'm like I only wear workout shorts in the summertime because I'm like so sticky it's like when you take them off.
Speaker 2:The suckers are not going back on. They're not going back on. I'm just going to walk in my car with my leggings on my shoulder.
Speaker 1:Take it off once you better have something else compared. Literally, it's so funny. So, yeah, I just I love that because, like you've got such an awesome perspective and viewpoint on fitness and on yourself and your expectations for yourself and what you do for your family. And your kids are all in sports, like they're doing all the things too they're doing. They're in gymnastics, they're surfing surfing, skateboarding.
Speaker 2:I, they're the, they're the ones who got me skateboarding. They're the ones that are like having so much fun. I'm not, you know like.
Speaker 1:I want to do it like were you just like sitting on the bench for a few days and literally, literally.
Speaker 2:That's how I started skateboarding. I was talking to other moms and I was having a bad mom day where you're in your head and you're just like, man, I'm not doing anything, I can't figure, like you know, like when your kids are going through stuff, it just bumsums you out and you're like what am I doing? I got to figure this stuff out and I kind of reached out to my friends and I was like, hey, you guys ever feel like you just have these mom moments where just things are really hard and they're like yeah, yeah, yeah, but you'll get through it. And that just wasn't enough for me. I was just like I want to be done with it now, like I want to be happy, you know.
Speaker 2:And I walked outside and I saw my girls skateboarding and we were at this place where they had some extra boards, and I asked one of the guys do you mind if I try? He's like go for it, put a helmet on. I hadn't laughed that hard in like months, like months. And the the eruption of laughter that came out of me because I was like about to eat crap, you know like I was like and then.
Speaker 1:I just was like and when you do that as an adult, it just you laugh at yourself. Oh, you have to right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's like so uncomfortable and I just started laughing and I'm like, yeah, I need this in my life and I haven't stepped back like. I'm sold, and my now my husband, does it, and so we're like a whole little skate family family A whole, skate family A whole skate family and it's so much fun, but it pushes yourself Because you have so many negative thoughts. You're like I'm going to die. This is concrete. I'm going to die.
Speaker 1:Right, like a wave won't scrape you. Right, yeah, exactly, literally, a wave is like water.
Speaker 2:And then we live here. But when you're looking at a concrete slab and you're telling yourself to drop into that, that, you literally have to evaluate your thought processes and you can see that sometimes you're dark, you're like I'm going to die, I'm going to die, I'm going to die, I can't do this. And then you're like I don't believe in myself. And all of a sudden your kid is looking at you and they're like Mom, you can do this, you got this mom and it just it convicts you, it challenges you to get out of your head and believe the truth. And the truth is that I can do it. I can, yeah, but I'm not going to get there. If I don't believe in myself, you're never going to do anything in your life. If you actually believe you can't do it.
Speaker 1:No truer words have ever been spoken. 100% truth right there.
Speaker 2:And that's why I love skateboarding is because you have to be all in. You can't be halfway in. If you're halfway in, you fall.
Speaker 1:Right, like you already failed, exactly Right.
Speaker 2:If you're like you're going to fall.
Speaker 1:We'll see what happens. Yeah, you're going to fall and because the concrete's there.
Speaker 2:You just are forced to face your fear. So you don't even do a run unless you're all in, and that's why I love it yeah.
Speaker 1:That's so cool. What's like the difference like in the feel between surfing and skating?
Speaker 2:Oh, Hmm, that's a good question. I would say there's certain things that happen. Like you pivot, like you need, like you're, sometimes you're pivoting on a wheel, which I had to learn how to do that or like surfing, you feels like you're pushing. You know now that I'm getting better at carving on, like in the big bowl, like if I'm skating in the big bowl I can push against, against the laws more. But before I couldn't do that and so, like you had to, if you turn, you pivot on a wheel, or surfing.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you like, you can snap, but usually you push, you push, so it's different. But it's still like a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1:What about like, like psychologically or like thought wise? Do you find that they're similar? Do you come? Do you approach them differently? Do you find that they're similar? Do you approach them?
Speaker 2:differently. Do you get something different out of it? With surfing, I can go like halfway where I'm like no, I don't really like, Like all the chill.
Speaker 2:Or if I want to throw a trick, like if I'm going to like, oh, I'm going to hit that lip, or like, oh, I'm going to do a backside turn here, I can be halfway committal. Or if I even even taking like a big drop where I'm like I don't know if I'm gonna make this, I'm just gonna try because it's water, we're skateboarding. I'm like you keep your feet on the board, like you know, like I'm like tunnel vision zoned in, okay, because if I partially commit, then I'll jump off and then there's concrete. Okay, that's the whole difference. Yeah, I am way more elastical when I surf. Sometimes when I skate, I'm like, okay, like you're 100% in the zone.
Speaker 2:I'm committed.
Speaker 1:So that's really interesting. So Alex was telling me recently he was training someone who has, like, a very intense focus required in his business and so he does a sport that requires 100% focus. And he said that he does it because it's the only way that it allows his brain to like escape from his day to day. Otherwise it's always, always there. Do you find that when you're skating, that it, since you have to be so present in the skating, that, like all the other mom, pressures and all the other things, it totally just melts away.
Speaker 1:Just melts away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I find myself getting I get really tunnel vision where I like do runs over and over and over and over, where I'll just run the same run over and over, and over and over and over again, and you get like, really I don't know, I get weird, I do get weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like define that. What does that mean?
Speaker 2:Where you're just like trying to get more speed, you're trying to hit one section. You're not making it, you just do it over, like I'll do the same run like 20 times within like 10 minutes. And then people are like trying to talk to me and I'm like, yeah, okay, whatever. And I just like, and people, I'm just like people are all talking, chilling and hanging out and I'm just like hyper focused, tunnel vision, like a shark, and and I'm just, I'm conquering this.
Speaker 2:this is what I'm going to conquer today yeah and then, and then all of it, and then I don't know, and then I, all of a sudden, I come out of it and I'm like, and then you just decide you're done, yeah, or I'm like, I'm gonna do something. I'm gonna try something else, you know. But you do get yourself in a hyper focused tunnel vision thing and because it's not a wave where you have to wait for a wave to come, you can just do it over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 2:I like that. That's so cool. That's a sport though. Sports you do that Like when you train a sport, you run drills Right when you're running reps on a skill? Yeah, and you just like train it, and I love that.
Speaker 1:That's so cool. The point about waiting for a wave that's really awesome, because the few times that I've attempted surfing, just having that patience and waiting there and just like observing the water and feeling the water, I think is really cool and calming, which for me is great, because I tend to be overly stressed out and like trying to do too many things at once and maybe a little bit controlling Maybe, maybe, just maybe a little bit. She said it Anyway, but it's like totally opposite that, but in the same way, it's also like an escape from all the other things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, surfing has its own escape. That's really beautiful, and it's fun when you can find something else that is a bit more consistent.
Speaker 1:You know Right.
Speaker 2:Like if I probably would never have picked up skateboarding if there was waves of plenty and abundance here. But there's not, and so it's nice to find something else where I can get the stuff out of my head as a mom, where you're just like I don't know, you get in the mom grind and you kind of.
Speaker 1:And that you're your kid's teacher too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean just any parent feels this way. You get in the grind with parenting. It's hard, it's heavy stuff. So to have like an outlet. I think that's why I love to play, I love surfing and skating, because it allows me to get that outlet out.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So there's one other thing that I want to talk about before we finish, and it's something that we've shared just kind of casually at the gym, when you're there which is the mental health aspect, yes, of fitness, yes.
Speaker 2:Let's go there, yes.
Speaker 1:Now remind me before we do you have some sort of background also right In counseling.
Speaker 2:I am a counselor. Tell me about it. I do like to deal with the counseling, the things.
Speaker 1:Like like, give it what's your background in that?
Speaker 2:Okay, so I work with uh, I have a weird job. I love my job, but it's a weird job. I work with juvenile sexual offenders, so any kid that offends in an inappropriate way. Um, before they're rehabilitated back into society, they do counseling with us and we do rational emotive behavioral therapy where we identify irrational core think like irrational thoughts, and when people think irrationally they become disturbed in their thinking, and so our goal is to challenge and dispute.
Speaker 1:So if you want Could you give us like a practical example?
Speaker 2:What does that look like? A practical example is I will give you one of my core irrational beliefs I won't throw my clients on blast because, you know, just expose yourself.
Speaker 1:There's a couple core rational beliefs.
Speaker 2:One of them that I struggle with is um, I must be loved and approved of at all times, and the reality is people aren't gonna like me, and that's okay. But if I walk around thinking that I have to be loved and approved of at all times, I am going to try to manipulate things in order for people to like me, and when people don't like me, I am going to be really sad and upset. And that has happened where I've lost friendships and I've tried really hard to keep those friendships and just based on their own personal views of me, they don't want to be my friend and that hurts to the point where I'm, like, really broken up about it and I have to dispute that and say, like, not, everybody's going to like me, and that's okay. I can't control who likes me and who doesn't. I can't control people's opinions about what I do and my performance, and that's okay.
Speaker 1:So you have this background right, so you work with these kids, so just to give it some framework that you understand mental health from like a yeah, from like a general perspective you have actual qualification in the area.
Speaker 2:I would say that I am, I think you do, I'm pretty qualified, so so let's talk about fitness and mental health and what that looks like for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I definitely. From an early age. I've always been an athlete and I've always recognized that physical activity has helped me. It helps with brain flow. For me, if you haven't figured it out like, do I have ADHD? Yes and so, but for a lot of people that do have ADHD, hyperactivity allows their ability to process better. Okay, so for somebody like me, sitting in a classroom is not going to work. So when I was a kid, I would go and ask for bathroom breaks and do cartwheels all the way down to the bathroom and all the way back in order for me to memorize.
Speaker 1:Was that just like a?
Speaker 2:tool that you came up with on your own.
Speaker 1:You just discovered on your own that if you took a break, did some physical activity. Then you were able to like focus in class, and when I do flashcards I have to walk, I pace when I do my flashcards.
Speaker 2:So for me it was always movement was a huge thing. But then now we know with research, like the research is coming out, like especially for women, like we need to be moving our bodies more, and you look at most people like in order. I always tell my kids this I'm like if you want energy, you have to make energy to create energy. You have to put yourself out there, even if you don't feel like doing anything. And I have one little girl. She gets kind of bluesy, I don't know like my little Eli. She gets kind of bluesy and I force her to do sport because she'll be so bluesy. And I'm like just go to the gym If you don't want to. If at the end of it we'll watch a movie, I don't care when we get back home, I don't care if you're feeling bad again.
Speaker 2:That girl will start running and in 15 minutes she is a new kid. Just like totally, totally changed and we talk about it all the time, and so that's the thing where exercise we know that exercise can help encourage just brain activity, brain flow. It also helps mood stabilization. We know this. Even for like postpartum, like when many of you are going through postpartum it really does help.
Speaker 2:So for me it's like a no brainer. Like my kids and my family, we have to do sport. You don't have to do it competitively, but you do. And we don't even call it extracurricular activities anymore. I'll call the jokers co-curricular activities.
Speaker 1:It's like required, it's part of the curriculum, right? Yeah, there's a couple things. So there was some research done recently where it was comparing the effects on depression, comparing exercise and actual antidepressant medication, and so it's not to say that there's not a place for medication, but this particular study showed that exercise was even more effective at addressing the symptoms of depression than the actual medication. And so I see a lot of times people think of energy as like a cup full of water and they feel like their water cup is empty because they have no energy and they're like well, my energy is really low and I'm tired, so I just don't have enough energy to exercise. But it's the other way around. It's exactly what you said is that using energy creates energy, and we're like please just start.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, just get up and start moving and I promise you that you're going to be more energized.
Speaker 2:You're not going to use it up, it's not water in a cup and when you pour it out it's empty. It's the opposite. You don't use it up, it actually fills you more. It's like plugging in. A lot of people don't like to work out at night because of that, because some people when you work out at night you're just jazzed for like to like 11 o'clock at night.
Speaker 1:You're just your body's like oh, we're hanging out, we're up, we are plugged in now, yeah, and it's funny actually, because a lot of people will you know they because they work like nine to five or even more than that sometimes, and so they try to work out at night and we say it's actually better if you can come in early, come in first thing in the morning. I know you think that it's going to make you tired and you're not going to be able to work for the rest of the day, but it's actually going to give you more energy and your day is going to be more fruitful. If you try to save it and wait for the end of the day to work out, after you've already like spent all of yourself all day long, that's when you know your workout might not happen. You know, Um. So I I see that happen a lot. Um. And then the other thing was you know when, when you talk about like activity is like a non-negotiable like it's it's just something you have to do.
Speaker 1:So I think back to um, the pandemic of 2020. So, like four years ago, like to to the month so I had gone from like very, very active as far as you know, training, right, I was like constantly in the gym to, you know, like two classes a day usually, and all of a sudden that was all taken away and we're all at home and I had thought for my whole life that I was just like a very pleasant and energetic, upbeat person and I still was working out at home. But it was just different. You know, I wasn't able to do it on my schedule or my routine the way I wanted to, and like we had the remote learning with the kids and like we were just inside and all this stuff. And there were some days where I was not a nice person, you know, and and my husband would look at me and he'd be like, did you work out? Yet?
Speaker 1:that's what you know, that's what you know and it was like a, like a realization, where I was like whoa, like it's actually the exercise endorphins. Oh, it's actually the hormonal response that I'm doing. I'm training every single day and it's just keeping me up and positive and moving, and if I don't have that, it's like a big dark cloud just lingers. And that's one of the reasons why I love fitness so much, because I'm not as awesome without it.
Speaker 2:well, it makes the clouds go away, you know it's a thing it makes the clouds go away. I'll be sitting on my couch just like bummed out, like super bummed out, and I'm like I don't want to do anything, I have no energy and that is a cue in my brain to be like oh yeah, you need to go to go work out.
Speaker 1:Get up. You need to go do something.
Speaker 2:Literally, that is a cue for me, and my kids know it too. They're like mom. I think you, I think this is just your way of saying that you need to go work out.
Speaker 1:They know. Because they know me, it's like they're like your little accountability buddies.
Speaker 2:It's the perks of having children. You know they always keep us honest no excuses, no excuses.
Speaker 1:Children, you know they always keep us honest no excuses, no excuses. But you know you do set a good example for them and like you've poured so much into them and given them so many outlets too, that's a huge credit to you yeah, so praise lord, praise lord, on that one, praise, praise lord so awesome stuff. Amber, thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me just like your whole perspective.
Speaker 1:It's just very enriching. Uh, I hope that other people you know get something from that and maybe it sparks their, their beliefs about themselves and why they train and, you know, trying to go a little bit deeper and see, you know, like why am I? Why am I doing this? Like long term, why do I do this? Because it's not just for a look, which is what the industry tries to sell.
Speaker 2:May not ever look the way you want to look, yeah that that's, and you got to be okay with that that's like that irrational stuff where it's like, at the end of the day, you may not ever get that. So what are you going to be happy with?
Speaker 1:yeah like I'm happy with my family you got to be happy, right with your family, with how you spend your day, with the things that you do that you enjoy yeah, awesome. Well, you're the best, amber.
Speaker 2:You're super cool and I'm so glad that we took time to do this. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thanks for joining us.
